Let me introduce myself,
I have a diploma in Animal Behaviour, Breeding, Genetics, and Animal Law in Australia.
Pit Bulls are a dangerous animal.
The traits they have are bred down through lines over years, one of the desired traits is that they "be" aggressive. It may not be a desired trait in this time, but was for centuries and it will take YEARS to breed aggression out of those dogs.
Secondly, Now let me see, if I were to be attacked by a dog, what breed of dog would give me less injury?
Say, just for examples sake, a dalmation, or a pitbull?
Pitbulls have jaws that lock once they have attatched themselves and because of the aggression trait once they have started their attack, rarely let go. I cant recall exactly how many pounds of pressure they have in their locked jaw, I can look it up for you if you like!
That plus of course their muscular build, wide mouth, which causes the teeth to be unusually large and rigid
Id say makes for some serious injury.
I dont know about you, But I would rather be attacked by any other dog than a Pit Bull.
People shouldnt be allowed to keep them. They are dangerous and they DEFINATELY should NOT be kept in a household around children. ↓
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| Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 14th, 2006 5:02 AM |
And PS....
To the person on the other thread, Pit Bulls DO INDEED have locking jaws...
If you work in a Vets Surgery, you should know that ↑ |
| Name: Terri | Date: Oct 14th, 2006 12:34 PM |
You are ignorant just like everyone else that doesn't understand them. Have you ever been attacked by a pitbull??? I have been bit by another dog, an australian shepherd, and had to have plastic surgery on my face to get it fixed! I do work in a veterinarian office and they do not have locking jaws, it's a myth!
You may be what you are, but what I'm about to show you is from a proffesional at michigan state:
Question: Do Pit Bulls have locking jaws?
Answer: Prepared by:
Al W. Stinson, D.V.M.
Director of Legislative Affairs, Michigan Association for Pure Bred Dogs, and the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation, and a Member of the Board of Directors of the American Dog Owners Association
The following quote was sent to me from Dr. Howard Evans, Professor Emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca New York. We were colleagues in the veterinary college for four years. He is the author of the textbook, ANATOMY OF THE DOG, (the world's definitive work on the anatomy of the dog). His statement was in a letter addressed to me on March 26. 2002. His quote was: "I have spoken with [Dr.] Sandy deLahunta (the foremost dog neurologist in the country) and [DR.] Katherine Houpt (a leading dog behaviorist) about a jaw locking mechanism in pit bulls or any other dog and they both say, as do I, that there is NO SUCH THING AS "JAW LOCKING" IN ANY BREED
We all agree that the power of the bite is proportional to the size of the jaws and the jaw muscles. There is no anatomical structure that could be a locking mechanism in any dog." As a Professor Emeritus from the College of Veterinary Medicine at Michigan State University, I agree completely with their conclusion.
So get your facts straight before you post things!! ↑ |
| Name: atomic snowflake | Date: Oct 14th, 2006 6:36 PM |
Pit bulls DO have aggression as a characteristic! It's bred into them. All dog breeds have their own characteristics and some dogs ARE aggressive - like it or not.
They DO have very muscular jaws and whether they lock or not, their aggression combined with their strength means that they are dangerous. ↑ |
| Name: Terri | Date: Oct 15th, 2006 2:40 AM |
HYPOCRITE
Name: Hiddy • Date: 10/14/2006 21:04:26
Staffies were bred for fighting. BUT, because of their popularity over the years as a loyal companion the aggressive gene has become a lot less previlant in the breed. They have been bred as pets far more often than a dog to be used as a guard dog.
I dont know whether you have noticed or not, but the breed has also become smaller. I have also noticed that a lot of Staffies are now treated like Lap Dogs. lol
I think they are becoming a beautiful breed. I have a friend that has a little female and she goes everywhere with him, like a child...lol I think they are nice dogs, they are definately getting better ↑ |
| Name: lindalu | Date: Oct 15th, 2006 3:17 AM |
| Bully breeds are verry stuborn breeds when they bite they dont let go. If you see any one who deals with the bully breeds you will notice they carry pry sticks. A pry stick is the tool that a bully trainers will have to use in the event of an attack, they will place the stick in between the jaws and pry the mouth open. They do not have lock jaws, that is a myth! There is no such animal alive that has the skeletal ability to lock thier jaws. If there where it would be a totaly diffrent spiecies. ↑ |
| Name: Join a Rescue Help all dogs! | Date: Oct 15th, 2006 3:41 AM |
The American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier differ slightly in their build and size, but are collectively called pit bulls. There is also a sub breed called the red nose pit bull which is prized by many breeders. The red nose pit bull is an American pit bull terrier that has a red, instead of black, nose and a solid red coat.
Pit bulls are very muscular dogs, ranging in weight from about 35 to 85 lbs (about 16 to 39 kg). Pit bulls have very short hair that is seen in a variety of colors and markings. A pit bull characteristically has a large square head with a very defined jaw. Pit bulls naturally have short floppy ears, but they are commonly cut even shorter so that they stand straight and pointy. The practice of cutting the ears is unfortunately used by dog fighters to help prevent wounds if the ear happens to be bitten by another dog.
Over the years, pit bulls have acquired a bad reputation for being aggressive, vicious and dangerous to people and other animals. However, the temperament associated with dangerous pit bulls is the result of irresponsible ownership and the use of pit bulls in fighting rings. Because pit bulls are strong, easy to train and eager to please, they have become a favorite breed for illegal activities. Sadly, many pit bulls fall victim to abuse by the training methods employed by dog fighters and in the fighting ring. Thousands of pit bulls are discarded daily because they end up in the wrong hands, are not aggressive enough for their owners or lose dog fights, rendering them useless to dog fighters.
The myths and stereotypes that surround pit bulls and their owners make up a very small percentage of the millions of dogs that are called pit bulls. One commonly held belief about pit bulls is that they have locking jaws. This belief is always false. It is physically impossible for a dog’s jaw to lock. However, pit bulls have very strong jaws which can be clenched stubbornly, making it difficult for a person or animal to free itself in the event of a bite.
By nature, pit bulls are very gentle, affectionate and trustworthy dogs. They follow commands willingly and are loyal, family dogs that love children. It is extremely rare for a well treated pit bull to attack without serious provocation. Pit bulls are very intelligent and make great companions and guard dogs.
Despite their great temperament, pit bulls are not for everyone. Pit bulls require a lot of exercise and they are very energetic. Someone considering owning a pit bull should be able to make a commitment to obedience training. An untrained pit bull can be strong, very energetic and mischievous, making it a difficult dog to handle. ↑ |
| Name: lindalu | Date: Oct 15th, 2006 3:46 AM |
Join A Rescue
Thank you for clearing that up! you have added a wonderfull and procise piece of info. Now every one who didnt know the diffrences can read and lurn. Again thanks! ↑ |
| Name: Kitana | Date: Oct 16th, 2006 12:28 PM |
Hiddy yor are ignorant.
No dog on this planet has "locking jaws".
Any 1st year vet student should know that, lol.
Yes APBT are agressive, animal agressive. APBT have been purposely bred through the years with the human agression bred OUT, not in.
They have a high prey drive, and boundless energy, a high tolerance to pain, and a overwhelming willingness to please their master.
Which makes them perfect for a family, and on the same note which is why they are targeted for BSL.
I have owned many breeds before, and I can say 100% right now, the only two I would willing have in my house again are dobermans and APBT.
NEVER a cocker spaniel or a lab. ↑ |
| Name: bama girl | Date: Oct 16th, 2006 4:29 PM |
| If you are so educated then you should be aware that pit bulls were bred for animal aggression and not human aggression. Dogs that showed aggression towards humans were culled by resposible breeders. ↑ |
| Name: susan | Date: Oct 16th, 2006 5:43 PM |
| you, hiddy, lost all credibility when you said they have locking jaws. moron. it is not true! ↑ |
| Name: Mckayla | Date: Oct 16th, 2006 9:17 PM |
Wow you think that smaller breeds are better to have??? Considering 85% of the toy breeds could not pass the Temperamnet test. Mostly saying they were UNSTABLE. You really need to do your research a lil better than you do. ALL of my pits are good with kids. Its all in how they were bred and how you raise them. Pure pitbulls are NOT aggressive. Its when they are mixed with another breed. And about your other thread about the dalmation versus a pit. Dalmations are more prone to bite than a pit. And they are on the BSL list as well. You consider yourself educated?? Go back to school you really need to. Whats funny is that pit bulls had more that passed than alot of breeds. And one of the test they do is have them around another animal and children. Now how could they pass if they are so aggressive like you are making them out to be??
and as for the breeds you listed to get the
shetland sheepdog scored a 66.9%=failed the Temperament test
the maltese scored a 83.3%
APBT scored 83.5%
american staff scored a 83.3%
and the cocker spaniel scored a 81.7%
if you dont believe me check for your self http://www.atts.org/statistics.html
you will find all breeds and their scores.
good job by the way of referring a dog that failed the TT.....and to think that people on here listen to you!!! = ↑ |
| Name: Jayla | Date: Oct 16th, 2006 9:23 PM |
| LMAO! Thats so funny, pit bulls have jaws that lock. You need to go back to school sweetie! That is a MYTH, do you know what I mean? A myth is something one person says, spreads around and is considered truth, but in fact has no truth. I can teach you a class about pit bulls if you'd like?!?! And then you could add that to your "resume"! ↑ |
| Name: candy | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 2:18 AM |
| just one little note, you should have your degree pulled because you seriously do NOT know anything about the breed other then what you read! They dont have "lock jaws". but because they tend to have extra muscles in their jaws they can hold on tighter and because of their high pain tolerance level they dont tend to let go even when severly harmed themselfs. I would sugest that anyone that is calling themself a profesional should research a tad bit further then just reading and looking at whats infrount of them. I have 15 "pit bulls", all of which have come from diffrent backgrounds and stories and I allow my children ages 4 years to 10 years to run, play and hug my dogs.My dogs range from the age of 18 months to 11 years of age and not once have I had a situation where my dogs showed the smallest amount of agression towards them. When you breed ill tempered dogs and inbreed dogs you tend to get ill tempered dogs. When you fail to train a dog you tend to get a ill manered dog. Thats a fact with ALL breeds. ↑ |
| Name: Cathy | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 2:40 AM |
| Hiddy... you are an IDIOT ↑ |
| Name: apbtliny | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 3:21 AM |
| Ignorance is the only dangerous thing about your post, Hiddy! ↑ |
| Name: EthansMom0213 | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 4:47 AM |
| Okay I use to think badly about bitpulls. Because just like alot of other people I believe they were to aggressive to have around children. It is true that pitbulls where breed to be aggressive dogs but on the same not any dog regardless of breed can be aggressive. My sister has a pitbull who is literally a big baby. Her son who is 2 year old can pull that dogs ear, sit on him, put his hand in his mouth and the dog just lays there. He doesn't growl or show his teeth. If he has to much he just gets up and goes to his kennel. ↑ |
| Name: Bindi | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 6:02 AM |
| EthansMom0213 that sounds a lot like my dog my youngest daughter can drag him around by his chew toy and my nephew always trys to sit on him and ride him like a horse it is really funny to watch ↑ |
| Name: EthansMom0213 | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 6:13 AM |
| Why is that if a bitpull attacks someone every single pitbull is ruled as a terrible dog to have. But when I golden retriever attacks a little girl for no reason that dog is the only dog that is considered an aggressive dog. Why is it that we believe everything that we read. Any tests or studies done on pitbull have been done on x number of pitbulls not on every single bitbull alive. This is why every single study that has ever been done no matter what the subject is continue to be redone and with each study they find new findings. ↑ |
| Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 7:55 AM |
You allow your child to pull your dogs ear and sit on him?
How cruel ↑ |
| Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 7:55 AM |
| I am raising my daughter to treat animals with respect. I would never allow my daughter to pull an animals ear or sit on an animal. ↑ |
| Name: mel | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 7:08 PM |
| has any one noticed that hiddy cannot reply to the lock jaw debate. Girl i think terri has got you there. ↑ |
| Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 7:29 PM |
| I try not to generalize. I don't think you can write off an entire breed of dog as being bad. Poor breeding, bad training, or irresponsible upbringing is usually the key factors to all aggressive dog behavior in all breeds. Also, I do not think they have locking jaws. ↑ |
| Name: Tiffany_SPCA | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 8:15 PM |
| Hiddy... we have big dogs. It is not uncommon to have children ride a dog like a horse. I pull my dogs ears as long as it doesn't hurt them. They love it. It means play time. You raise your daughter to treat animals with respect and yet you have none. ↑ |
| Name: EthansMom0213 | Date: Oct 17th, 2006 8:20 PM |
| I am not saying that we encourage our children to pull the dogs ear I am saying that when it happens the dog doesn't do anything. This post has nothing to do with the disapline of our children and everything to do with a pitbull. ↑ |
| Name: susan | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 6:29 PM |
| Name: Lee | Date: Oct 22nd, 2006 7:30 AM |
| HI Hiddy you know I respect your opinion on things but I have to tell you some of the things that you say are very very wrong. My mother and father are both Vets. They don't work in a vets office for a vet, they own the office. The American Pit Bull Terrier is no differant then any other dog in means of Jaw structer. They CAN NOT lock there Jaws they hold on out of pure will power. Secondly they were bread to be aggresive towards animals not people. Just like any other dog if you put the time in with them you can correct those problems as well.At that Not all pitty's are animal aggresive. APBT's are very loveing and sweet animals, there loyalty is second to no animal on earth. Please before you go bashing this wonderfull breed spend somem time with one and you will see they are wonderfull and do some more reserch. Thank you and have a nice day ↑ |
| Name: Julie | Date: Oct 22nd, 2006 7:43 AM |
Hiddy, you are a JOKE. You know nothing of which you speak. They do not have locking jaws, that is some seriously stupid stuff that any Vet will tell you in untrue.
Want some facts on APBT's then read:
http://www.dapbt.org/collier.htm
Written by a University Profession in AUSTRALIA.
So really, eat your words.
But I don't think you'd be interested in FACTS, since you just like to talk out of your arse. ↑ |
| Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 22nd, 2006 8:21 AM |
I dont care if your mother and father are hansel and gretel
Pitbulls lock their jaws...... BREED...is spelt B R E E D
not B R E A D Bread is something you make a sandwich out of.
Pitbulls are AGGRESSIVE P E R I O D
You have a nice day too! ↑ |
| Name: I love pitbulls | Date: Oct 22nd, 2006 9:03 AM |
| One more thing Hiddy you say you would rather be attacked my a dalmation, well you know what you don't...i have and i can tell you it isn't pretty...i have even seen a dalmation puppy be aggressive for no reason he was just a mean dog...Every single dalmation i have met has been aggressive, so i don't know where you are getting oh dalmations are so sweet facts... ↑ |
| Name: Ramon FErnandez | Date: Oct 22nd, 2006 12:57 PM |
| Hiddy you are an animal behaviourist and study breeding and genetics, and yet you have just stated one of the dumbes thtings ever by someone in the aimal field. Pit Bulls have lock jaws? REally, lock jaws. Is that what they taught you in school? Considering that is a false statement maybe you should go back to school and educated yourself more. Secondly you are in Australia, where you countries dog is responsible for more dog attacks than any other breed and it is kept under wraps, so they do not loose popularity. Understand-a-bull.com has all the truth about dog bites.They update all the time current bites and attacks not by pits. Go to ATTS.org (the temperament Test Society and see how high pit bulls actually rate compared to other dogs. They are an impartial group who do temerament testing of breeds. The Pit Bull rates as one of the highest compared to most other family dogs. That there is fact and truth. Look at the CDC reports onb dog bites same thing, no dog is more likel to attack than an other. So the next time you go throwing around you degree and qualifications make sure you at least talk in Truth. LockJAw makes you sound so ridiculous. I work at a Vets office as a tech. Pits and the other large breeds are the ones we fear least. It is the Chihuahas, poodles, Bischons, and other little dogs that we muzzle 90% of the time. How about them numbers? It is the same in all the Vets offices that I have worked in, that is not coincidence, that is a fact. ↑ |
| Name: Your DAddy | Date: Oct 22nd, 2006 1:42 PM |
Hiddy are you really going to stick to pit bulls have locking jaws? Even after all that was shown to you. Are you actually going to say that all the Vets and doctors in the worlds history that have studied the Pit bull are wrong? You can honestly stick to it to that degree, rather than admitting you are wrong. That is hysterical and just goes to show how much of a professional you are not. You will go against all the proven biology and anatomy in history and continue to stick to some newly discovered locking mechanism in animals.
Secondly you will need to know and should know that if you studied as an animal behaviourist that human aggression was BREED (since you have been reduced to correcting spelling since you have no leg to stand on argument wise) out of the Pit Bull breeds so that the dogs owner and handler could pick up or break apart dogs in the heat of battle or a dog that was wounded. They had to trust the dog would not bite the handler. Therefore human aggresive dogs were culled by responsible breeders.
The problem today is that every dog attack is reported as a pit bull and the media storm that surrounds the breed. There is a game on aunderst-a-bull.com , find the pit that I bet would be very hard for anyone to get right. When another dog attacks we are lucky if it makes the back page of the comics let alone any space at all. A Pit Bull attacks it is front page story and has a 1/2 hour slot on the nightly news. Why is that? In the seventies it was German Shepards, the 80's dobermans, 90's rotties, and now the Pit Bull. Saddly for one reason or another the amount of irresponsible owners have far outweighed the number of responsible owners in the media. FAct is there are more pit bulls in loving family homes than in irresponsible homes. Remember Petey the little rascals, he was a Pit Bull. The RCA dog pit bull. SGT. Stubbs the first war dog to be declarated and was responsible for saving the lives of his troops on more than 2 occasions. Helen Keller owned and loved Pit Bulls, The Target dog and Spuds MAckenzie, Pit Bulls. We do not judge people the way we do a pit bull. If we did lets see how it would look. Crime has a higher rate among minorities. Yet do we condemn and imprison every black and hispanic person walking the earth because their is a higher crime rate amongst them? Some people do have prejudices and say yes they are all bad, but for the less iggnorant and educated we know to take each person ona case by case base. So why would we not offer the same treatment to the Pit Bull? WE all now that the overwhelming majority of minorites are not killers and drug dealers. The majoriy are hard working, honest people, who are law abiding citizens. Same as the Pit Bull most are fun loving family dogs. Some do fall into the hands of irresponsible owners. Yes they are a breed that is not for everyone as are a lot of the power breeds. The are not for everyone. You need to be a strong willed, alpha, and energetic owner. WE can not seriously base what could be several hundred thousand of the bully breeds in loving family homes to what is possibly a few thousand irresponsible owners. What needs to happen is we need to start making real laws to punish dog fighters. Laws and sentences that will deter and outweight the monatary gains of dog fighting. Then and only then will we see once popular breeds start to be displayed less and less in the media for aggression and more and more for the positive. Punish the deed not the Breed. Write your local legislators and demand harsher penalties for dog fighting and the abuses that come along with it. Chako.org understand-a-bull.com dogwatch.net petakillsanimals.com pitbullsontheweb.com ↑ |
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