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Name: lindalu
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My daughters dog has decited he is more dominant than I. He is a Doberman and has always seemed like he was beneath me in the pack order. Well was I wrong! he thinks he is above me! I will have to fix that real soon.

Last night while we were watching a movie he moved his bed in to the walk way just as he has done hundreds of times before. After the movie was over the bed had to be put back where it belonged. So as I always do, I reached down for the bed at the same time calling his name telling him to get up.

Only this time as soon as my hand touched the bed he grumbled at me! I couldnt believe what I was hearing. I told him again with a firm voice, Vander get up! I continued to pull the side of the bed when he again grumbled at me! Mind you... not moving from his bed! At this point I thought WOW!!! he has some nerve demonstraiting this behavior toward me. So I grabed his bed and dumped him out!

I realise then he thinks he has one up on me, so its back to the training board we go! My daughter is definitely the alfa in his eyes. He will do any thing she tells him and more, always seeming to be happy doing it! Second in the pack should be me, then my hubby then him. Well he has made it clear he want the second position! No way will he have it. me and poochie are now at war! LOL!!!
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Name: Dawn C. | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 7:43 AM
LOL! They do love to challenge now and then don't they. I have no doubt you'll win this little scrimmage lindalu. I've had to straighten out more than my fair share of Shepherds when they had a wild hair pop up out of no where. Even the men in my house have no doubt that I am #1 in the pack order! Have fun!! LOL! 

Name: lindalu | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 4:27 PM
LOL!!! thats right keep them in line Dawn! As I said my daughter is the alfa he is after all her dog, he lives with her in her own area. I am however starting to wonder if the Chihuaha she got a few month back has messed the order up. I think the Chihuaha thinks he is the pack leader! He is the most terrible thing that ever walked the earth. It a good thing he only weighs 3lbs! Eather way this mess has to be worked out. I have been letting the Doberman get away with to many things I have to get firm again! I let my guard down! My dooks are up and sleeves are rolled just waiting!

He just this morning did the same thing this time I rolled his ass right quick, right out of his bed! If he keeps it up I will take his bed all together. Fix his but! LOL!!! 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 6:06 PM
LOL!! Wow he has a rude awakening coming. Give him a left a right a right left! Let me know how it goes. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 6:34 PM
LOL!!! POW!!! 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 8:51 PM
How old is he? 

Name: Dawn C. | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 8:58 PM
No...don't take his bed...claim it for your own and sit in it right in front of him! OMG! I'm getting this mental picture of you laying in a dog bed, wearing his collar, and chewing a raw hide bone! LOL!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, take pictures and post them if you decide on that course of action!! LMAO! 


Name: lindalu | Date: Mar 19th, 2007 9:08 PM
Dawn I am getting a mental image of it now! LMAO!!! He doesnt care if I sit in his bed he just doesnt want to be bothered when he is in it. I am still picturing my self in his bed with his collar on. At least he has a nice collar the kid got him a Coach collar.

T-rabbit he is 5 years old, we adopted him when he was 2. 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Mar 20th, 2007 12:59 AM
haha thats funny. 

Name: Dawn C. | Date: Mar 21st, 2007 10:46 PM
Hey lindalu, how ya making out?? I bet that very expensive Coach collar looks great on you. You may need to go out and buy a matching purse though. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Mar 22nd, 2007 3:04 AM
Dawn its going well! I have made some changes in how I have been with him. I dont greet him when I enter the room any more and I never let him initiate play! I have noticed a bit of a diffrence in him since the change and I havent had any more incidents with his bed as of yet. LOL!! I just needed to reclaim my position in the pack, it looks like he may be getting his collar back soon! I do however still have my sleeves rolled up waiting for him to challenge! I will keep you posted, thanks for asking! 

Name: Barb07 | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 2:54 AM
Hello Lindalu ~~ Has anyone heard of dominent downs ??? I Ihave a Bichon Shiz -shu....4 months...still in th enipping stage -- I have 3 kids 15/11/8 - w/Autism, My sister-in-law used dominent down...to control her puppys crowling....at her kids ..and visitors...... My trainor does not agree with this. My sister-in-law says, she has a very well-behaved dog as a result of this... I am so afraid of having an aggrssive dog. He tends to nip when we take off his leash & when he has his free time to roam & play... I am being very firm with the biting thing...and do reward him for good behaviors only. I do put him back in the crate when the biting occurs too . I will take anyones opinion on this one. oh yeah I am a first time puppy owner. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 4:52 AM
Barb07 when you say dominent down do you mean alpha rolling?
For those that don't understand what an alpha roll is, let me explain. When a dog or puppy shows signs of dominance many trainers will tell new handlers to take his dog and force it down on its back on the ground and stare in their eyes until the dog looks away. The handler is supposed to get down on top of the dog and grab it by the sides of its cheeks and stare right into his eyes until it submits.

Well, this is fine for some little FOOFOO - or with a dog that is not very dominant. But you had better not try it with a large dog that truly is dominant. I just heard about an episode in California Schutzhund club where two dogs got into a fight. After the fight was broken up one of the dog handlers (who was not very big) alpha rolled her large male German Shepherd male (who had not been obedience trained during its first year of life). Well, the dog attacked her and bit her in the face and upper body leaving her with permanent disfiguring scars. The dog was subsequently put to sleep. The lady had over 100 stitches in her face.

The unfortunate thing is this did not have to happen. The lady had been given bad information. If things had been done differently this would not have happened to this poor woman and the dog would probably still be alive today.

If this is the methode you are refering to, no! I dont think it is a proper aproach for handeling a young dog or puppy. 

Name: Dawn C. | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 12:29 PM
OMG lindalu!!! That's just terrible.

Whom ever told her to grab his cheeks and stare him down is the one who should have been put to sleep!!! You NEVER put your face anywhere near ANY dog that is still revved up and feeling the adrenaline rush of being in a fight!!! You're just begging to be bitten. Especially if the dog had no training in it's first year!! Good God!!

Barb07-It sounds like you are doing the right things. If what lindalu described is what you are talking about...absolutely not!! You can show them who is boss without challenging them by grabbing their face.

I prefer rolling them on to their sides and pushing my fingers into their shoulder. Position one hand like you are picking up a small jar by the lid. This is the "mouth hand". Put your other hand flat on their side to help keep them down. Keep steady pressure with your "mouth hand" on the lower shoulder/far upper leg area until they go limp and they accept this position. This action mimics what their mother would do if they got out of hand. They think you biting them. It doesn't hurt them and you are not directly challenging them...just showing who is boss. I hope that made sense. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 2:40 PM
There is another technique where beeing the handeler will force the dog on his back exposing his belly. This technique is only done with dog aggressive dogs, not for dominent purposes!

There is a diffrence between aggressive and dominent. One can own a dog that is dominent but not aggresive or vice a versa! The two should not be confused. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 2:52 PM
Understanding subtle dominant behavior in a dog help people learn how to establish themselves as the pack leaders in the home. Here are some behaviors many dogs will display that represent a dominant behavior:

Sleeping in bed with the owner

Pushing you to pet him

Not allowing the husband into the bedroom after being gone on a trip

Growling near food or toys

Not allowing you to take toys away by showing aggression (not just playing keep away)

Always going through doors first

Always going down stairs first

Being extremely dog aggressive

Resisting laying down when told to DOWN

Showing aggression to certain family friends and not others 

Name: Lory | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 4:49 PM
Hey lindalu, how would I go about training for this one? LOL!!

Not allowing the husband into the bedroom after being gone on a trip

Kidding! LOL! 

Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 3rd, 2007 6:58 PM
Lory lol!!! I wish at times I would have trained my dog for that one to. Can you see their faces when they return home from a buisness trip and the dog doesnt allow them in the bed rm? Believe it! some dogs do develope that behavior. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 4th, 2007 4:52 PM
Up date....Vander is much better with the dominate issue. I reclaimed my position! There is no more snarling and he moves from his bed as soon as I tell him. I tell ya... he is one lucky boy, I was ready to go a few rounds with him! LOL!!! 

Name: Dawn C. | Date: Apr 4th, 2007 6:57 PM
Was there ever any doubt lindalu?? : ))

Hope you kept his collar for spite. lol. 

Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 4th, 2007 9:53 PM
Naaahhh no doubt! I had him licked. You know ...now that you mention it, his collar would probably look better on me than him. LOL!!! 

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Name: Lyell | Date: Nov 8th, 2007 2:28 PM
This is not a reply it's a question. I am working with a 1yr old Shepard whose family is training him. When I try to take his leash from them he will snap, if they hand him to me he is fine but once I start working him he jumps in a very dominant manner. I don' t think he is aggressive but could be turned that way. I know a lot to do ( no free lunch etc...) but any tips on handling him with them around? 

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Name: caren | Date: Jul 10th, 2008 5:41 AM
I have this problem with my huge labordoodle/irish wolf hound, he is so funny, except he gets angry when my husband and I hug, I'm not sure who he considers the pack leader in our house, we spend equal time taking care of him, but he defintly has no respect for the three children, 10, 8, and 5. Crickett growls at my five year old whenever I am out of the room, and he attempts to pet him, if I am there, hes a tottally different dog. I was sitting on the floor holding my two youngest kids, watching a movie, and the dog came over with the sweetest expression , and sat down throwing a pawl over each child, it seemed really sweet, but thats out of character for him, he's only a little over a year old, sometimes I worry he might get ugly, or to rough with the kids, not sure why he throws his paws over us like that? 

Name: caren | Date: Jul 10th, 2008 5:53 AM
I wonder if it would be easier to handle him alone at first? My dog behaves fine for the vet, or groomer when I am out of the room, but starts getting loud and snappy as soon I walk over, or say hi to him, "like he doesn't have to behave anymore since mom is there", I don't know if that is a completley different situation then yours, though? It would make sense that he might behave totally different around different people, I have seen military police dogs do that, according to who was handling them, or feeding them that week, then be aggresive to everyone else, kindev scary. 

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