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Name: luckey_in_life
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Some cities have banned pit bull ownership.
Other cities have required that owners register their pitt bull with the city and muzzle the dog while in public places. They will fine the owner and take the dog if owners do not comply. What do you think? Should there be restrictions on Pitt Bull ownership?
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Name: candy | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 12:30 PM
In most cities in MI minorsunder 18 can not own/walk a pit bull and I think this needs to be applied for all medium and large breeds across the states. I think that if there was any bill passed directly on the pit bulls, it should be that any dog that showed human aggression should be looked at by a vet to rule out any health problems and then if its determined by a professional vet that the dog is not sound due to its nature and not from lack of training and or a health issue, it should then be destroyed. I say this because a pit bull that shows human aggression is a flaw in the breed, however if the dog was trained to be that way I would say a bill should be passed to charge the owner for animal abuse and or neglect since they trained the dog for aggression in one way or another.
Now I dont feel that theese bans and restrictions should apply to every pit bull and the alike owner only those who have ill tempered dogs. I allso beleive that a bill should pass stateing that all dogs, espicall pit bulls that do not have pappers should be fixed before 6 months of age to reduce the rateings of any potential dog bites and unwanted dogs. The the dogs that have papers I beleive should be reg. with a registry that holds shows and or weight pulls. The dogs that have pepers but with a reg. that dosen't hold any confrimation shows/pulls should fall under the line of a non papered dog and be fixed. thats just my oppion. 

Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 12:45 PM
Pitt Bull Legislation is like gun control. It requires the owners to be responsible. 

Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 7:02 PM
does anyone think they should be banned? 

Name: lindalu | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 7:26 PM
No I dont I think the dog should be banned the owner with lack of knowlage should not be allowed to own a dog. There should be more human educationl courses for the pet owner, forget pet training how about people training corses! You have those who go out on a whim, purchasing these animals not having a clue what they need to do to keep them happy healthy and a overal good dog. I really think that prior to purchasing there should be a law that you the owner should have to educate your self by attending basic dog behavior classes. If you really love the animal you will do that. 

Name: Tiffany_SPCA | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 7:38 PM
Absolutely! I don't think the dog should be muzzled if in public but I do think it should be muzzled at dog parks or pet stores... any place it is likely to come into contact with a strange dog. I don't think that they should ban the breed... I LOVE the breed. I do believe that the owners should have to register their pit with the city in order to own it. I also believe that you should have to have a special permit in order to breed and in order to get this permit you must A. Have OFA type certifications on your dog by the appropriate time. B. Have show quality animals. C. Have to take a test and pass with a 90% average over breeding, genetics, and pregnancy of dogs. D. Have an insurance policy. E. Have spay/neuter contracts drawn up for all puppies produced that are not show quality or do not fit the standards of the breed.

I believe all dogs not meeting this requirement should be spayed or neutered. I also believe that the test should be taken while the dog is still a puppy and only after passing the test should the owner be allowed to NOT spay or neuter the animal. I think they should be given until the dog is 9 mos. of age and NO older.

And no I don't just believe that for bully breeds. 

Name: Tiffany_SPCA | Date: Oct 18th, 2006 7:40 PM
Candy- I don't think that anyone should be banned from owning or walking a dog. I think that's a horrid thing to do. I loved taking my dogs for walks when I was younger. I started at the age of about 10. We both loved it. 


Name: gail | Date: Oct 30th, 2006 5:54 PM
no it all depends on how they are rasied i have a female she are very gently with children 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Oct 30th, 2006 8:05 PM
"Pitt Bull Legislation is like gun control. It requires the owners to be responsible. "
I agree 100%! 

Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 30th, 2006 8:09 PM
They should be banned. 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Oct 30th, 2006 11:39 PM
Honestly, banning "pit bulls" only takes "pit bulls" out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Those who fight their dogs, or mistreat them in other ways obviously don't care about the law. Wouldn't it make more sense to punish the criminals who beak the law, rather than simply banning people who obey the law from having these dogs. 

Name: Bethany | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 3:53 AM
Banning Pit bulls is actually unconstitutional. It takes away the basic right of Americans to own "property". Anyway, now that we have the legal aspect out of the way...Breed Specific Legislation has already tried..and failed..to reduce the amount of bites by dogs. It takes animals out of the hands of responsible citizens, and fails to take into account the bad owners. The crack-dealing, dog-fighting scum won't be turned away..oh no...they'll simply chose another breed to ruin. We need a policy that will crack down on leash laws and reward good owners. That will work 

Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 3:56 AM
They have done it in Australia, they have labelled Pitbulls a dangerous breed. I think if your Pitbull is caught roaming the streets and is not registered, they can just put it to sleep without even making effort to find it here.

I also think, if your Pitbull is registered, you incur a greater fine than other owners too. 

Name: Hiddy | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 3:57 AM
Sorry...."effort to find you"
is what I meant to say. 

Name: momof3 | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 4:23 AM
I don't remember where it was but Rottweilers could not be inside of city limits. 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 11:02 AM
They have been banned in small towns in Illinois. 

Name: un | Date: Oct 31st, 2006 9:57 PM
NO NO !!!!!!! IT'S NOT THE DOG IT'S THE OWNER!!!!!!!!!! 

Name: stephanie | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 1:43 AM
I believe that it is important to remember that you need to socialize your pets. There are many other dogs that have shown agressive behavior. That is a fact. It really boils down to the owner of the dog. If the owner chooses to make thier pet aggressive then they should be the ones that pay: by either a fine or simply stricting their rights to own a pet since they choose to make them dangerous 

Name: LadyB | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 5:34 AM
Banning ANY breed is not the answer. The answer is harsher penalty for irresponsible pet owners. The problem with BSL is that there will ALWAYS be a "dangerous breed" no matter how many you ban. First Pit Bulls...then what, Rottwiellers? Once Pit Bulls are banned, the responsible owners that love the breed, like myself, are screwed while the irresponsible owners and breeders just find another breed to misuse and overbreed. Then the cycle starts itself over.

People should NOT be allowed to just breed dogs and sell them in the paper. There should be strict guidelines. For ALL breeds. Spay and neuter laws should be put in place. Owners should be held liable for dogs that bite/attack...i.e. it should not be payed by homeowners insurance.

So really, I think that there should be restriction on all dog ownership. I think that rules should be in place for all dog owners just like there are rules for driving a car. And, I think that there should be more effort put forth in enforcing them. 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 6:33 AM
I agree we do need some laws on breeding. This would help some with the number of unwanted and abused dogs. 

Name: bladerunnerx16 | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 8:40 PM
T-rabbit I actually agree with you for once lol ! There are far too many unwanted dogs and cats in shelters becuase of people's carelessness and ignorance.

pit Bulls should not be regulated, but the owners should be.
They can be really nice pets if they are trained right and not taught to fight with other dogs/people. 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 9:39 PM
Yes they make great pets. I have took in some really abused dogs. Out of nine years of doing this I have only had one I put down there was no rehabilitating him he was 3-4 and fought, starved, beat. He did't trust people at all. Had him for 3 mo before I put him down.
He was a 90 lb dog healthy when I got him he was 23 lbs. Pretty close to death.But in 9 years one dog is good. 

Name: Hiddy | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 10:01 PM
Thats ridiculous, There is NO way they can enforce legislation like that. Some moron will always want to have one. They should just ban the breed outright, problem fixed.
Its not like people HAVE to have Pitbulls or Rottweilers or German Shepards for that matter. They are the breeds of choice. There are so many WONDERFUL breeds out there to choose from that are not as dangerous.

They have also replaced the German Shepard with another breed here in Australia, with a Beligan Sheepdog as a police dog. You people just cant get it through your thick heads. We dont NEED these breeds. Its not like I want to see an endangered species wiped out. These are DOGS! 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 10:10 PM
ha ha ha your a funny one you are 

Name: Randi02 | Date: Nov 1st, 2006 11:33 PM
Pit bulls are illegal in some parts of Canada. They are put down immediately if they end up in shelters and people who owned them are fined huge. Even if you have a pit cross here, most municipalities do charge you extra for licensing. 

Name: Bethany | Date: Nov 2nd, 2006 3:53 AM
Wonderful breeds Hiddy? Oh..like what? Ankle-biters? Be reasonable. To wipe out an entire breed because of ignorance is just wrong. Not to mention it is easier to enforce mandatory spay/neuter laws than to enforce BSL. All you have to do is fix the dog before you sell it, case closed. They have already tried BSL...and found out that it FAILED miserably. Banning a breed is not the answer. The Asshats that misuse these "dangerous" dogs will simply ruin another breed, and another, and another, until ALL dogs will be illegal. Until we can start cracking down on irrisponsible owners and educating the public, there will ALWAYS be dog bites, regardless of breed 

Name: luckey_in_life | Date: Nov 2nd, 2006 3:32 PM
Lady B Quote:
"what on earth makes you think that a Pit Bull ban could be enforced?"

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Response:
This is how a Pit Bull ordinance is being enforeced in Denver, Colorado:

Pitt Bull Ban Enforcement
Denver will renew enforcement of its Pit Bull ordinance. Having a Pit Bull in the city is against city code. Beginning Monday, May 9, all Pit Bull Terriers, Staffordshire Terriers, or dogs displaying their major characteristics, are banned from Denver. Officers will enforce the city statute. Information on the ban and on breed standards is available from the Denver Animal Shelter, 303-698-0076. 

Name: T-rabbit | Date: Nov 2nd, 2006 8:25 PM
The truth is the people that enjoy fighting dogs for self profit are going to do it no matter what the law. After pits it will be rotts then boxers,doberman,Shar-Pei, american bull dog, english bull dog,and so on. So I say go ahead with BSL. Soon you will see that it did nothing but hurt all the pretty little dogs every one wanted to protect from the APBT! When you go to the animal shelters and see your grandmas Pekinese skinny, fought and untrusting of humans how are you going to fix that? 

Name: Drew | Date: Nov 3rd, 2006 6:41 PM
HELL YES. BAN ALL PITT BULL DOGS. PITT BULLS ARE DANGEROUS AND VICIOUS DOGS. 

Name: Bethany | Date: Nov 4th, 2006 1:14 AM
Hullo there Drew...or should I say "Hiddy". At least you sound as uneducated as her 

Name: page_e | Date: Nov 4th, 2006 2:02 AM
Pit bulls can be loving pets............. but to be fair alot of dick heads buy them to look hard.
I'm sorry but this is ture..
Also bad onershipe off the dog can get it put down.
Because in alot of case's the owner is a f**k wit.
Now these really f**ks me off!!!!!
I'm a owner of a stafford bull terrier.
Pit bulls are bread that are with the right love and training can be Ace dogs, good family pet s and a lot of fun to be with.
Train them right and they will be a freind for life.
page_e x 

Name: LadyB | Date: Nov 4th, 2006 7:27 AM
luckey....

That still doesn't mean that people aren't going to own them. It's called breaking the law. People do it every day. That's why I said that a ban will only affect law-abiding citizens who own them. You know, the people who are the good owners...

It all goes back to the fact that the government can ban them, but there just aren't enough resources to effectively enforce the ban. Seriously, do you think that enforcing a breed ban is on the top of the police officers priority list? Hardly. It's probably enough work keeping all of the murderers and rapists off the streets.... 

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