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it was brought to my attention that the posts that i was making were really stepping on the point of the PETA post so i have decided to make a new post out of respect (even though i donate to PETA yearly)so lauren lets use this post now thank you for realizing that we neede to move ↓
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| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 12:54 PM |
| Do you personally save shelter dogs? ↑ |
| Name: Lauren | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 1:48 PM |
| I want to start out little....i dont want to go typing a huge thing. I'm not saying that i WONT im just saying that i'm going to take it a step at a time. Eventhough my friends, family, church group, ect may not support me i want to give them the option of helping me. I think i will type a small letter explaining why and such and such. I will start by giving it to my close friends. I'm a little shy when it comes to talking to complete strangers. I have done all the research on shelters and everything.... I basically started when i was asked to write a persuasive paper for english. I chose DONT BREED OR BUY WHILE SHELTER PETS DIE! A girl did the same topic and we both got 100, unfortunatley the girl said great my A and moved on....i didnt :) ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 3:45 PM |
| im glad that you are doing something even if it is what you call small any step in the right direction is still a step. i cant remember who i am about to quote i think it may have been Gahndi "even the longest journey begins with a single step" when you send things out to people you dont always need to include your name it makes it easier to gauge reactions when people dont know who they are reacting to ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 4:00 PM |
| briseis yes i do save shelter dogs and i also take on dogs that because of breed alone would be euthanized in our great state and i have organized more than one charity event in the name of saving these animals i have also done my part in trying to make the shelters in my state more livable for the animals who suffer the misfortune of being placed there I worked for A dogs best friend rescue and adoption center both as a volunteer and as paid staff (i was making about five dollars per transport) we rescued from shelters and private citizens all over Ohio and we worked with some other organizations who were breed specific. the center disbanded for reasons that i do not know I left because i had some problems with the way it was being run If you would like to contact chuck and cindy mesko at [email protected] i think the adress is still valid. i am working with some purely volunteer groups right at the moment i am still providing foster care for dogs cats rabbits and chickens i also do the columbus OH to W V leg of long transports not to mention the fact that i am a mother and everything else that i do an a daily basis and yes i am a current member of PETA but i still do what is within my reach to do even if it is not always 100% like it should in my opinion be im not sure exactly what you wanted to know but i hope that this answered you questions if you would like to know the organizations that i am currently involved with i would be more than happy to email the names and info to you but because my views and ideas are not always the same as these groups i dont think that i should attach my name to theirs ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 4:07 PM |
| briseis im also not sure if you have been reading the PETA cntd topic that you started i really meant it when i said sorry about your topic and im sure if you did read our posts you would have noticed that I do work in the rescue field ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 7:29 PM |
No I haven't been reading your posts. It's not been on the top of my mind these days, and I'm 5 days overdue on giving birth. :)
My questions? I only asked one. I'm surprised at the detail you went into. I suppose I just wanted to see if you practiced what you preached.
That's wonderful that you rescue animals which would otherwise be euthanised. I volunteer at an animal shelter near my home, and keep a lot of pets. I'm also an advocate for animal welfare, and a strict vegetarian, as my sympathies lie with all animals, not just domestic pets. Until earlier this year, I worked in an emergency veterniary clinic ... (I had to stop working there as I became pregnant, and got hyperemesis) But I intend on returning.
I'm not anti-breeding as long as the breeder is licenced, and is breeding animals legally. I adore Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, and although my Jack Russell and cats were rescued, I've purchased my Cavaliers from a registered breeder, and will continue to purchase Cavaliers for the rest of my days, although I have no intentions of breeding them myself. I had noticed you mentioned you were anti-breeding. I can see why in a way, but I believe people do not want to rescue shelter dogs as they are moreoften adult, and may have developed behavioural problems. My Jack Russell had severe behavioural problems when I got him; he was almost a year old, and had been badly abused, and was on death row due to the bad behaviour of some irresponsible people. In general, and sadly people prefer puppies.
I wish you every success in your efforts. ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 9th, 2007 10:49 PM |
thank you the only real reason that i am against breeding is because all of the dogs and cats that are in these shelters were once cute little kittens and puppies that could have been placed if not for the need that people have for a pure bred animal i dont hate the people who breed animals but i hope that they educate their customers on care and control and let them know that it is alot of work to raise a puppy or kitten or rabbit ........ i guess that the list would continue forever if i let it .
i doubt you are in the market right now with your impending birth but when you want your next pup try a breed specific rescue you can get alot of pups that have had decent lives through them and its cheaper than going to a breeder
i feel like bob barker saying remember to spay and neuter your pets
oh and the reason i gave you so much info was because you had a problem with i believe it was red joey (if im wrong i am sorry)posting as a rescuer and i thought that providing some references would put your mind at ease
congratulations on your baby i hope you get to meet him or her soon ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 6:44 AM |
Well my cats are spayed, but my dogs are both fully intact, and they're staying that way unless they give me a reason to neuter them.
They are both well behaved, and they don't roam, so I don't see the need to put them through unneccessary surgery. It's different with cats, as they do roam.
But I've kept intact male dogs for years, and none have sired a single pup. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 6:46 AM |
| My problem with Redjoey wasn't that he or she said they were a rescuer, but that they lied that they were. Redjoey made that up completely. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 7:06 AM |
| I see what you mean about a breed specific rescue, but there are no breed specific shelters except greyhound ones here in Ireland. And like I said, I like keeping Cavaliers. You'd be hard pushed to find a Cavalier in a dog shelter over here anyway. My Jack Russell was rescued and so were my cats, so I'm doing my bit for the shelter animals. ↑ |
| Name: Lauren | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 11:46 AM |
| I'm not TOTALLY against breeders...well maybe i am. I don't look at the fact that maybe people WANT purebreed and even if their was no breeders they still wouldnt go to a shelter. I just think that the animals in a shelter deserve a chance. It's probably different in America.......we have a WHOLE lot of shelters soo..... ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 11:59 AM |
| No it's the same in any country. lol. There are so many fabulous breeds of dog, and people can not be criticised for favouring a particular breed, especially people with young children, who want to be sure of the dog's temperament. The Cavalier for example is renound for it's patience with children, and is a good choice for people with young children. People cannot be criticised for wanting a purebred dog or even a puppy. They have that right. People can however be criticised for taking on a dog, and not keeping it, abandoning it, abusing it, neglecting it, and indeed allowing it to reproduce unneccessarily. I think attacking registered breeders is the wrong way to go. They are not to blame. It's peoples lack of responsibility towards their pets which is to blame. ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 12:05 PM |
I have hears (and please correct me if i am wrong) that the shelters there are not in as bad of shape as they are here and that the guidelines for breeding and care of pets are better than they are here. is it true that parvo is not an epidemic there? I wondered where you found a licensed breeder it makes sense now that I see your location. The Us doesn't require any type of registration to breed. I look through the news paper every day and I get sick of reading all of these cute names that people make up for the dogs that they are breeding together to get money. If its physically possible for them to breed people will create a name and call it a breed. Last week we had Sheagles in the paper i dont forsee beagle/ shepard mixes really catching on with the AKC or any other entity.
well I guess i could return to the point it might make this conversation a littl more enjoyable and a little less like another rant. I didnt look for who red joey was i just figured if it was bad enough to cause a new topic that it wasnt worth my time to read. I didnt realize that we only have two rescues for the cavaliers that i can even find. on the other hand it looks like we might have more cocker spaniel rescues than we could possibly have cockers. i cant rember if it was Ireland or Scotland that my in-laws could not take their dog to but that was about 10 years ago(before they were my in-laws)is there a ban on dogs being beought in to Ireland? ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 12:07 PM |
My Jack Russell is purebred, and yet he was abandoned, and left to die. He was hours from being euthanised when I stepped in, and it took me months to rehabilitate him. He was aggressive, he was fearful, untrusting, unsociable. People who don't want to have to spend time rehabilitating a dog as I did, and who just want a nice easy dog prefer to go for a puppy as it doesn't have a 'past'. And I can see why.
The issue is mongrel puppies being created because people refuse to control their dogs. The issue is people taking on a dog without being able to cope, without realising the enormous responsibility it entails, and then turning their back on the dog. (Lauren, this is exactly what happened with you) and then sending the dog back to the shelter or worse, just leaving it to die.
You didn't do anything wrong, but you are criticising people for doing exactly what you did. Taking on a dog, and without even having the dog a day, deciding that you don't want it after all.
This is the issue. This is why so many dogs are in shelters. People don't realise how much work and effort keeping dogs entails. They need to be educated. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 12:15 PM |
| The shelters over here vary enormously. Some euthanise dogs within 48 hours of their arrival, some are more compassionate. But all dogs shelters are the wrong place for a dog. A dog needs to be in a home with a 'pack'. We have what's called 'The Kennel Club'. In order to breed your purebred dog, it must be registered with the Kennel Club. But thousands of people continue to ignore this and breed dogs anyway. I wouldn't buy a dog from them. I purchase my Cavaliers from breeders who are registered with the Kennel Club, and whose dogs are screened for possible health defects. But still the 'Pet' section of our newspapers are packed full of purebred and mongrel puppies being sold each week from people who are not registered. It is irresponsible to purchase a puppy from them. But many do not care. There is no ban on dogs being brought to Ireland that I know of. But recently hundreds of dogs were brought from Ireland to England to be rehomed there as our shelters are packed full of unwanted dogs. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 12:17 PM |
| I think the slogan 'A dog is for life, not just for Christmas' is more fitting when dealing with this issue. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 12:18 PM |
Anyway, I'm being induced tomorrow, so I can't keep discussing this as my nerves are wrecked. I think both your hearts are in the right place. :)
And like I said, I wish you every success. ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 4:36 PM |
i hope your labor and delivery go well and you are able to enjoy the miracle
i like your slogan ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 4:37 PM |
| and thank you for correcting me it was a long time ago when i heard the information and i couldnt keep it straight ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 4:45 PM |
i have one suggestion to go along with the comments about taking a dog back to the shelter.
put the anger where it is due . a thirteen year old girl doesnt go and get a shelter dog without a parent and the adult is the one who is ultimately responsible for what dog is adopted if any and should know if the animal is beyond the ability of a child to deal with and furthermore if you adopt a dog it is part of your pack and needs to find its place and that requires the pack leader to be involved
as ive stated before i do not lend my name to every thing that i am involved with because my views are not always theirs but if we all work for a common goal i will still support their efforts every body has failures before they learn what is right ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 5:34 PM |
| Hmmm I didn't express any anger - I did say 'You didn't do anything wrong' and at the time I was very supportive of Lauren's decision. I was also understanding when I found out she was lying to me about another issue. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 5:36 PM |
| There is now a suspicion in my mind that you and Lauren are the same person, as Lauren posed as another poster only a few weeks ago, for months. I let it go, as Lauren is only 13-years-old. But as you jumped to her defense, where it wasn't even due, as I wasn't attacking her, I'm now very suspicious. So lets just end this conversation here. I wouldn't want to waste any more of my time ... ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 5:46 PM |
Hmmm if you and Lauren are not the same person, then I can't be blamed for thinking that you might be. 'Mommyoftoo', who Lauren posed as for months, was very defensive of Lauren, and also very complimentary, as you ironically are.
If you knew my past with Lauren, you'd know I've been a very good friend to her, against all the odds, although I am surprised at Laurens being on a 'Babycrowd' forum ...
Anyway, I'm going to relax now, as I'm being induced in 14 hours time, and so now that the suspicion is in my mind, this is hardly a conversation I care to discuss.
If you are not Lauren, like I said, good luck. ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 6:16 PM |
| i dont know who lauren is and if you would like my phone number so that you can check my information by cross referencing phone listings or call my home i would be more than happy to give it to you. who she is has no bearing on my defense i purely stated that a child should not be responsible for an adults decision. my email is [email protected] and at every other site that i visit i am listed as cherisalorraine except for pogo games where i am listed as cherisaloraine because of a typo on my part when i was in college 3 years ago. i do not like to be doubted and im sorry if my posting to a girl who was asking for help is wrong as i have said many times in my life if i get the information out there then some one might use it. i dont know what else to say other than check my references i am listed on my space with the same user name and i think alot more info than i have provided here feel free to email me and i will give you the info that i will not leave on this site i have also never heard the other screen name that you mentioned i do not visit any other chat sites and conduct most of my business through e mail im not sure why you would defame my character for no reason but i hope that it is just stress and not part of your every day personality i have dine nothing to you or any body else on this site and i would like to be treated as such if my personal opinion offends you im sorry but i thought that is what this discussion type forum was for. if not then i apologize but i still think that i am in the right to hold parents responsible when a child can not legally make a decision ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 6:18 PM |
| and thank you for wishing me good luck because i am not lauren or any one else other than who i post as every where i go(games mostly ) ↑ |
| Name: Lauren | Date: Sep 10th, 2007 10:33 PM |
Briseis
Now, i KNOW that i lied about mommy_of_too, but i SWEAR that i am not the other person. And if you dont not believe me, i'm sorry. I am promising you that i will never do what i did again. The only place that i go on babycrowd is here-the pet forum, because is still love pets. As for my issue in getting a dog...well i would rather not talk about. I'm truely regretful of even thinking that i could take on a dog- alone. Yes, i was alone. I was the one that wanted the dog, and it was MY dog, so it was MY fault when the dog didnt work out. Now, it's very hard to give back something you have wanted for your whole life. What i did was wrong, it went against everything i believed in..........and i still cant belive that i did it. Now, i said i didnt want to talk about it but here i am talking about chloe :(
Actually maybe i DO want to talk about her.....
This whole conversation happened while i was at school.....soo i PROMISE you with my whole heart that i'm me, lauren, and only lauren. Well good luck with your baby :)
♥lauren ↑ |
| Name: cherisalorraine | Date: Sep 11th, 2007 12:09 PM |
| lauren i have no idea what any of that was about yesterday . i dont think that it was my business to begin with. my investment here is purely on the issue of supporting you in your efforts and i will continue with that. as far as chloe im sorry that you had that experience please continue to post. i forgive mistakes as long as positive progress comes from them ↑ |
| Name: Lauren | Date: Sep 12th, 2007 11:48 AM |
ok...
anyway u just want to say although this is a day late....
9/11 we still remeber God Bless :( ↑ |
| Name: lindalu | Date: Jan 17th, 2008 11:47 PM |
| I do agree adopting is the best rout. All my animals are adopted, I will never buy an animal. ↑ |
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