| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:17 PM |
Terry was being kept alive by artificial support. Therefore, she was not receiving pallative care.
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"Judge George Greer issued his order granting Michael’s petition for authorization to discontinue artificial life support for his wife in February 2000. In this decision, the court found that Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state and that she had made reliable oral declarations that she would have wanted the feeding tube removed." ↑ |
| Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:18 PM |
| I was forced to make a decission to intubate or not to intubate with my mom. I chose not to intubate in stead I had her place on a continuing hightend dose of morphine combined with adovan. I feel for a person who will never have any chance of recovery this is the most humane thing to do. This is also known as a comfort care! ↑ |
| Name: summadaiz | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:18 PM |
| Yes the feeding tube thing is cruel... is that the only thing keeping her alive? ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:19 PM |
| Yes--the feeding tube was keeping her alive. ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:20 PM |
| The only thing keeping her alive. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:21 PM |
| Yes, the feeding tube was the only thing. However take that out and at least give her IV fluids. They let her lay there and starve for over a week. Not very humane at all. I am all for a morphine drip Lindalu! ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:22 PM |
| Hooked up to a feeding tube for 15 years in a vegetative state. I think her husband did the right thing by fighting for her right to die. ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:23 PM |
| The autopsy proved she did not suffer. Her brain was dead and half the size it should of been. She was not aware of hunger. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:24 PM |
| M she should have at least been given fluids and pain meds. Not left to starve and thirst for a week. That would be humane. The right to die, if left go, will become a duty to die. You are sick, you are draining the health care system, you are a burden to your family, do everyone a favor and bite it because we are not paying your bills anymore so you have no choice. I can so see insurance companies doing that. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:25 PM |
| No one except her knows what she felt. Her brain was "half the size" we only use a small portion anyway. Neurons could re route. No one KNOWS 100% what she was feeling. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:28 PM |
| Back to abortion, infants, pediatrics....did you know they used to do surgery on babies without pain meds?????????? They thought babies could not feel pain. Now we know better, even premies (yes, even a 23 weeker). They cannot vebalize and cannot even cry esp with an ET tube stuck in their throat, but their heart rate goes up, they go down on their oxygen, there are objective signs and now we know better, so we medicate them. You do not know what someone else feels. ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:34 PM |
| I am guessing that if a person is brain dead they are not aware of anything. Brain dead is even a step beyond unconscience. When you are unconscience you are not aware of your surroundings. Her brain did not function. They had to use a feeding tube because she was unable to swallow. She would have gotten food into her lungs if they had tried to feed her that way. The poor lady deserved to leave this world. 15 years was far too long IMO. ↑ |
| Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:36 PM |
| The methode of comfort I chose is highly looked down apon in the catholic beliefs. I found that out when the hospital would not increas her morphine. They said by increasing the morphine it would slow her hart and cause death. I said yahh? They said it would not be a natural death, it would be like overdosing her. I had her moved to another hospital she died 1 day later. ↑ |
| Name: bebe9281 | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:36 PM |
| Brain dead is no higher brain function.. Only the involuntary functions are active.. Breathing heart beat... She had absolutely no "awareness" at all.. ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:39 PM |
| lindalu--I think a lot of hospitals will keep asking the patient if they want more morphine in those cases. That is what they did to my grandmother. She had a tear in her intestines and they knew if they did nothing she would die a slower painful death. They just kept asking her if she wanted more and she kept saying yes. It is death by overdose. But I would rather die from an overdose of morphine than the pain of an intestinal tear! ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:41 PM |
| I was shocked when my mother told me this. At first I was upset that they gave her so much drugs. There was no hope for her and she was able to die peacefully in the end. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:41 PM |
| They never said she was "brain dead" they said "persistant vegitative state" there is a difference as I cut and pasted. On the TV they showed her interacting. Did they have an actress play her??? Please. Oh btw my dh was a paralegal in FL. They have no fault divorce. So he did not try to divorce her, he wanted her to die so he could have the money maybe?????? ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:42 PM |
| My mom said alot of hospitals do this. Is that true with your experience homemommichelle? Maybe not since you worked with newborns. ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:45 PM |
Her brain was in very bad shape. I doubt she was aware of anything.
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A report from a neuropathologist who served as a consultant to the autopsy said Schiavo's brain was "grossly abnormal and weighed only 615 grams [1.35 pounds]."
That weight is less than half that expected for a woman of her age, said the report written by Dr. Stephen J. Nelson.
'Irreversible' brain damage
Schiavo's brain damage "was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," Thogmartin said.
"Her brain was profoundly atrophied," he said.
The vision centers of her brain were dead, he said.
But without removal of the feeding tube, and if conditions such as pneumonia and urinary tract infections -- common in bed-ridden patients -- were treated, Terri Schiavo could have lived another decade, Thogmartin estimated. ↑ |
| Name: M | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 8:54 PM |
| No hard feelings homemommichelle--I can understand both sides of the debate. I just hope I am never faced with making these kinds of decisions in my real life! ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 9:01 PM |
Yes, usually pain relief, when the end is near is very very important and given.
I hope not also. need to go now. I have been on here all day!! ↑ |
| Name: lindalu | Date: Apr 18th, 2007 9:04 PM |
| M the problem was that the hospital would back of the morphine when her hart rate slowed. They would not keep it at the same dose they was roller coastering the morphine up and down. My mom was also unresponsive I had full power of attorney over her care. ↑ |
| Name: winniebear | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 2:36 AM |
| I feel abortion should only happen if it is absolutly the only thing that can be done. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 2:43 AM |
| Amen Winniebear. We are talking about a child. It should be an absolute last resort! ↑ |
| Name: T-rabbit | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 3:10 AM |
Name: sezbi • Date: 04/18/2007 14:06:54
"i wouldnt take the morning after pill, i wouldnt have a abortion...nothing.
If i was stupid enough not to have protection, or if something horrible like rape occured and i concieved...there is always other choices..such as adoption
This is my opion anyway.."
This is a method of high dosage of birth control. You may not even be impregnated it prevents the egg from being released, and flushes your uterus out ( cycle early).
so you are saying if raped you could live with giving a baby up for adoption. After carrying this child for 9 months you could handle the fact that you were giving up part of you. I could not emotionally deal with that. I would hate for a child to find out years down the road when they tracked you down to learn about them selfs that they were a result of rape. No birth control is 100% affective and condoms do break. Abstinence is the only safe birth control. You can be as responsible as you want things happen it is life. I am glad they have ban this particular method.I do not pass judgment that is the lords job. If anyone has had to deal with this in their life I stand behind their decision. I don't think most people do this for selfish or irresponsible reasons. If no one ever had abortions we would be completely overpopulated with low income, welfare,or abused children who were unwanted in the first place. The people who already have 5 kids can't take care of anymore with the cost of living is society today. ↑ |
| Name: T-rabbit | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 3:13 AM |
M:
This was a really good subject. Thanks for posting it. ↑ |
| Name: Layne | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 3:32 AM |
| I agree totaly with T-rabbit ↑ |
| Name: marija | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 5:37 AM |
im for the rights of the mother....but after learning what they do...against the partial-birth abortion.
my cousin found out at 5mths that her baby wouldnt survive outside the womb...it had some missing chromosone...where the baby still grew but didnt form properly....so it was still a living growing being....when she was told this..she was devastated....they took her to maternity ward and induced the birth....she was put in a room where she could hear all the other newborns crying...and put through labour, delivered naturally...baby died on delivery.
if that was me...i think i would hope that maybe maybe they were wrong...maybe my baby will live?
and it has been known for docs to get it wrong...every now and again...not often, but enough to give hope to some mothers.
contraceptives are not 100 %...not even close...my last baby was a depo vera* sp baby.
and i could never go through an adoption...takes a special person to be able to do that :-) ↑ |
| Name: sezbi | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 5:41 AM |
T-rabbit - i understand what your saying..i just for me personally couldnt do it..maybe if i was raped i would take the morning after pill...because i wouldnt know if i was pregnant..you know what i mean?
Its not the babies fault it was concieved in such a horrible way..i couldnt have a abortion..for me personally..i couldnt live with myself..i probably would live with myself if i gave my child for adoption either..
my opion though ↑ |
| Name: atomicsnowflake | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 10:06 AM |
In the UK, rape victims are given the morning after pill as a matter of routine.
If there's a dire emergency in the later stages and it's a case of having to do a delivery, then a c-section should be performed and the baby can be cared for if it has a chance of survival.
There is no room in the world for Partial Birth Abortions. They are inhumane and barbaric. I honestly don't know HOW an obstetrician could possibly consider dragging a baby out of the womb then piercing it's skull to kill it. I'm all for women's rights, but there ARE limits as far as I'm concerned.
When I was a student I was expected to assist in Theatre when terminations were performed. It's absolutely horrible. The woman's cervix is dilated and the surgeon quite brutally suctions the contents of the womb out with a suction instrument. The 'products' end up in a large vacuum container. What a sad way to end a life which presumably began through some woman's carelessness with her contraceptive arrangements. ↑ |
| Name: roseywosey | Date: Apr 19th, 2007 10:11 AM |
| i agree 100% with what you are saying atomicsnowflake. ↑ |
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