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Name: Fiona | Date: May 12th, 2006 11:37 AM
Then take HRT! 

Name: Layne | Date: May 12th, 2006 12:14 PM
I know Im 42 and I started menopause about 2 months ago. i have mixed feelings about it. I feel like great everything is down hill from here on out. Then again no period is nice. But mostly I feel like i havent done anything with my life for myself. Its all gone to being mom and wife.Dont get me wrong its important but I still morn my youth. I dont know, But Im glad someone brought this up. 

Name: Maxie | Date: May 12th, 2006 3:54 PM
OK so got Donny and Marie in the wrong decade...but it gives you a good idea how old I am..LOL!!! Yup, 45 pretty soon. And me too. I went to the doctor for the routine...and as it turns out after seeing a specialest...just good old menopause!!! Not an event just part of life. Trouble is...dang...the thread if you could have followed is just like recently. 3 periods in 5 weeks....then...zip for near six weeks. And it has been going like this for the past two years. The only drawback to all of this is the fact that when the period arrives and then again and again...I am so flippin pooped out that I can hardly see straight, let alone think!!! If my children were near leaving home age this might go smoother...but I have just never been that lucky!!LOL! So with two kids four and six...I feel at times they get cheated because mother is so dragged out...and nothing I can do about it. Drugs...oh heck...not for me. They actually concern me as I understand you could end up with bigger trouble than nasty old menopause. So I gotta stick it out. There is one other drawback...my Doctor says that although it has begun...maybe 20 years before you actually stop cycles altogether!!!!!!!!!!!!! What?!!!! Somewhere inside of me I was hopeing for ya know, three to five years. Mrs. Doctor insists however it is often part of genetics. If mother (mine) stopped at 60 than likely I will by then too!!!! That girls is like 17 years of this ..... I am starting to like the idea of having the bits removed! Just get it over with so I can continue in a slightly more perky like way! I havent talked to her about it...but next trip I am going to see what she says. I am not so fond of those parts that I would feel less a person/woman. Oh no...I used those for the purpose intended and my time is now come and gone. Two children is it for me....so I am not feeling overly attached to the parts any longer. I just want my energy back....and the inconvenience of it all to end.

Pretty sure not everyone feels the same as me...about me bits that is...but I tell you true...if it worked, I would be a much happier and free feeling individual. 

Name: E | Date: May 12th, 2006 4:31 PM
Hmmmm....... Isn't a menopause when you didn't have a period for a whole year? If you still have periods, however erratic, it's perimenopause? That is, you still ovulate when you have your periods, and still can get pregnant if not being careful. Perimenopause can last for a while, some say it starts between 35 and 45 and can go to your 50s. I'm not sure about HRT, it does do harm, and - in less developed societies women get no HRT yet carry on through this stage of life with less trouble. Hot flashes and mood swings are reserved for women in developed countries. Is it sugar? processed foods? pesticides? xenohormones? estrogen-fed cattle? Isn't it better to try to switch to grain- and plant-based food and grow your own (organic) whatever possible? Get under knife.... there is something wrong about it, too... seems to be. I personally will try to avoid radical measures but who knows, won't promise anything. I'm not there yet, but been reading on the subject. The diet change seems to be the best solution, and it helps with sooooo many other possible health problems. 

Name: Layne | Date: May 12th, 2006 10:08 PM
i have been premenopausal since about 36 yrs old. So no Im not pre. I was having periods every 2 weeks for about 2 years off and on. I know lucky me i was one of the rare one's to experience this. Then came the hot flashes with a vengence. They have tappered off some lately. No period since the hot flashes started. Now it feels like Im kinda going through a mid-life crises. I also have children at home 9 and 11. 

Name: wendy | Date: May 14th, 2006 1:17 AM
Something im definitley looking foward too NOT........ 


Name: Maxie | Date: May 14th, 2006 2:12 AM
Hay E...yes I have heard about perimenopase...but not from my doctor. She told me as a" woman...to woman comment...you have entered menopause." As for not having a period for a full year...no mention of that either.. and you used a question mark. So for certain netier from the doctor or yourself ..I really dont know. But since I only found out a short while ago what my troubles were...next time I will ask about this. Under the knife ... something wrong with that......but your not sure of that either. Natural...blah blah blah...maybe for you .. though thank you very much for the suggestion...but I dont have that kind of time to grow, tend, etc. for meals. I dont by junk food in this house. I cant grow my own cow and I sure dont have the cash for the gain feed chicken and cow meat at the supermarket. I make the best choices I can based on budget and whats available. I will one day have a garden of vegtables...but I dont think that alone is going to help on its own.

HRT your not sure...but it does do harm. Which is it I wonder? I am concerned about taking medication...but if there are little or no side effects I may consider it..

Just a thought... in less developed countries how exactely do we know they dont have any more difficulties. I am very interested...not being flip. I mean they often cant get food or proper medical aid, yet somehow its suggested that medical science has determined they fair better. Hummmm? Thingie is ... we all gotta do what right for ourselves ... keep an open mind...and question...question. 

Name: Maxie | Date: May 14th, 2006 2:21 AM
Stop laughing... LOLOL!!!!!!! I would like to find a "gain feed" chicken or cow...bet their yummy and plump. And I am pretty sure even if it is perimenopause I got the same thing....with "perimenopase".

Good golly what new? LOLOLOL I am!!!!!! 

Name: Lisa | Date: May 14th, 2006 6:41 AM
Hot flashes I would choose to do without,I don't look forward to the time when menopause happens to me but I will love,love,love to be without any more periods!!!! I'm 34 now. 

Name: E | Date: May 14th, 2006 12:40 PM
Maxie, I used many question marks because i'M still in the process of reading lately about pre-M and the big M... There's so much to know that doctors just won't have time to tell you. I highly recommend book by John Lee nad Jesse Hanley "What your doctor may not tell you about perimenopause" - that's an eye-opener. They also wrote "What your doctor may not tell you about menopause" but I'm concentrating now on the pre-M topic. The food, the influence of the environment, the de-mystification of the process, the pre-M in the thirld world - it will tell you much much better. I couldn't possibly go into 400 pages here lol but it reads quickly and aids you in understanding IMMENSELY. 

Name: E | Date: May 14th, 2006 1:18 PM
Maxie, I will clarify my above posting because I see it's hard for you to navigate in the subject without the knowledge. Menopause means that a woman has not have periods for 12 consecutive months. No question mark. Have you heard about natural progesterone cream or your doctor didn't tell about that neither? Women in the third world don't go thorugh a lot of troubles because they don't have processed foods. Don't have lots of sugar. they eat organic food. they don't have plastics or glued wall-to-wall carpets in the house that emits foreign hormones (xenohormones) year after year. Same goes for MDF panels the houses nowadays are built from. Flea baths for dogs, pesticides, herbicides - not only they kill pests, they affect your dog's and your nervous and hormonal system. As young women, we could just not give a damn about that and get away with it. Around age 40, it catches up with us and our bodies start to react to all these environmental factors by disorders of whether hormonal or immune or reproductive system. Maxie, I hope I at least picked up your interest and you will find the book of John Lee mentioned above. You owe it to yourself to at least know what is going on with your body and what you are getting into by choosing this or that direction. Doctors in the office will not spend hours with you educating you on the subject. It is up to you now.

PS: I have chickens, all it takes a little coop, 6-8 hens and a rooster. They love scrapes from our table and give us 3 to 6 eggs a day. I am seriously thinking about getting a cow, but our land is not as big enough for a cow as yours, and we are thinking about relocating to a bigger property. We grow blueberry bushes (antioxidants) and this year I'm finally planting my own veggie garden. 

Name: Maxie | Date: May 14th, 2006 4:19 PM
OK E, I hear you and ya know I will look into this book you speak of. I am certain unless you know what to ask at the doctors, your right....they do not have time (or are not interested) in educating.....at least most of them.

Honestly ... to be true I dont think that at this point in my life there is much more left that I could accomplish except...yup...we are building a chicken coop this year...more pets than anything...but the eggs will be fresh!!!!! Just a little one like yourself. As for a cow...well if we had more than one acre...and its now almost completly landscaped...I would love to have one. And we are here to stay...after all the blood, sweet and tears of our renovations...I asure anyone that I am not going anywhere! For the exact reasons you and I and so many others know about. It scares the crap out of me to eat anything form the supermarket meat department....!^%%$$%^^!!!!! Oh yeah and too...I sure hope you know a good butcher or do it yourselves...cuz between Alberta and Britsh Columbia if you dont know the farmer/butcher well (and even then its been know to happen) you may not get the wrapped meat of the cow you brought to them. Your nice grain feed cow is now wrapped in their freezer! Yes....this is most common around here so sad to say.

A veggie garden I will plant in about two years. Both kids in school by then. I will have the time to do all the planting and tending and I want to learn how to preserve. I truly do all that I can within budget and reason to ensure if nothing else.. around hear we eat well.

Hay this cream...no..naturally I did not hear of that either. Seems as you suggest I need to read up on this topic. I am interested... and education of any kind has never frightened me. Like so many other things in the medical world ... you cant just leave the education and perscription entirely to the doctor. Read, read, and read somemore. Then question, and question till you get the answers you are looking for ... if there are any. Those who are afraid to ask are afraid to learn.

Thank you E. I appreciate the time taken to explain. 

Name: Maxie | Date: May 14th, 2006 4:27 PM
Oopie.....I ment regarding accomplishment.....not much left I can do to eat well and live well. Like I said previously...no junk food around here...lots of raw veggies and fruit. Lean meats...no suger juice drinks or pop...skim milk...ya know what I am saying. We do all that is possible..and vitimans too. I swear by vit B complex time released. Good golly it sure helps me pick up on the energy level as much as it can at times. Again, three periods in five weeks that kind of nonsence...it is so draining. During the non active weeks...goodness I feel great so long as I take that vitiman!!!!

Thanks again E.
Maxie 

Name: E | Date: May 15th, 2006 2:48 AM
Phew, Maxie, I'm so glad you are going to educate yourself. Glad to hear of all the healthy things you do, too.

Between all the small things I mentioned I think I forgot about the big picture. The thing is, when it goes over well-defined illnesses (flus, appendicites, stomach pains, even heart problems, etc) that are confined and therefore can be cured by doctors and you can trust them - when it spills into bigger problems that influence your whole organism (autoimmune diseases, menopause) the time comes when you should go beyound doctors because they can do only one small thing here and there, what they've been trained for. They won't look at the whole you as a complex system, they can't do that due to the nature of their training, plus in these times you start realize that they are just people with their limitations (albeit with paper that says that they are doctors). In these problems, you have to start facing your own health and take the charge of your body.

It must be awful to have 3 periods in 3 weeks... yet all your doctor would say is to remove your organs or undertake hormone therapy. At some point, it is not in their interests to either educate you, or they just may not know better themselves. There are huge commercial forces behind that may not like women like you, with the knowledge, destroying their revenues by not needing a surgery or not buying hormone replacements but curing themselves.

Just 8 months ago I wasn't this smart, let me tell you. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and my search begun. I was diagnosed with Grave's disease which is overactive thyroid and the conventional doctors treat the consequences pretty well (reduce the amount of thyroid hormones) but not the reason (they don't know why I have anti-thyroid antibodies and how to cure that). So I realized that there is a limit to the doctor's help and there is no way I would be blindly trusting them anymore.

Then this book (John Lee) opened my eyes on the whole question of WHY these things happen to us women. In my mind now, it all stems from the same ignorance about our bodies and our interaction with the environment - whether weird pre-menopause or immune system disorders. At least I know now which direction to go, even though I still don't have a cure for my auto-immune problem.

Just went to amazon.com and saw that one can look inside the John Lee's book. If you look only at the table of contents (I'm talking about the PRE-Menopause book) you'll probably see your own burning questions as names of the chapters.

Good luck reading, Maxie, again I'm very glad. 

Name: Maxie | Date: May 15th, 2006 2:11 PM
Thank you again E...I am going to look around in this book and see what I can learn.

Thank you so much for taking the time to assist and respond.

Take care.
Maxie 

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