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What is an Internet Troll/ Forum troll?

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... her messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate science. So let's see, IP addresses and Netstat or online prompt. Hmmmmmm, I wonder who that could be?
She tries to start arguments and upset people.

Sometimes, she is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder who that could be?

Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.

Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions.

Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash. Hmmmmm, I wonder who would do this?

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining.

Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive and then prideful in one great swoop.

There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.

You have several on this forum. Some are very obvious with their fowl language and name calling while others who seem less likely will bring it up very subtle like in the form of questions. Or perhaps bringing up old issues and other trolls who have caused riff in the paste. Or perhaps sucking in the new troll. Troll to troll!

Those who romp and are amuzed in such low behavior show themselves to be shameless SAHM - taking advantage of husbands and boyfriends who slave their days away to make a buck to pay the bills and allow you to be such. Beware, at some point you will be goosed by the gander.

And so to you trolls who lurk here, trust we will be gentle on you when you come out. For we are mere SAHM with nothing better to do than sit at our computers for hours on end, eating bon bons and keeping one eye on the day's soaps.

Shall we name the trolls? You go first. Who can you think of?
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Name: marija | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 1:59 AM
Are you a Troll?? 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 2:09 AM
Not in the sense. But it does seem to be happening more and more around here. I am one of those who is afraid to post such a thing using my real name. I really wanted to say it and thought this much easier. Anyone can ridicule or slander me and they don't know who it is. I feel better that way. 

Name: marija | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 2:23 AM
Yep can understand that, i actually agree with what you wrote, i know you dont name names but i can see who you have aimed it at, and i dont agree with that. I call it crusading, you get a bee in your bonnet and you go after it!! No matter what. The crusade can only end when one side stops, until then, it continues
Now i would like to call Hiddy a troll but cant attribute the creative part of your post to her, so she misses out...just.
I may not agree with the tactics or even some of the conversation, but i think everyone has the right to voice, if it will not lead to the hurting of another. By that i mean lying to people you have made personal contact with. The internet is a playground for liars..i could be 5'10 long blond hair 36-22-33 and it would not hurt anyone, but if i had a personal relationship with someone from the internet..theyre going to get mighty pissed at me at some stage..that is lying with hurting someone as the outcome. You can take what you read and have your opinion, voice your opinion but at the end of the day if you are not hurting anyone..it really shouldnt be anyone elses problem 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 2:31 AM
Thanks for reading it. I've been a member of the board here for a long time. I was one of the first to leave over a month ago. I haven't been back until early this morning beause I love this place. Things are a little calmer but today but when I went back to catch up I couldn't believe some of things I read. Some of us have been here for many months and got along great. I couldn't believe the dirty words and name calling I seen between some of my friends. It is hurtful to me and I'm on the outside. 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 2:52 AM
Would you like a tissue? seriously boo hoo

I aint either, i dont intentially go to cause trouble..i was nice and placid until i found out what a fake ass ho Lynne was and how she lied and maniuplated people for her own entertainment. And all i did was bring light to the subject and people made there own opions, that is until of course she screwed up and then has gone and acted a fool.

Yes i swear, im a adult and thats my right in the free world to do that, and i dont "name call" unless its warented! 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 2:55 AM
Who said I was talking about you? 


Name: momof3 | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 2:56 AM
I have always maintained that we should ignore these people, the "trolls". But it is hard to do, I have found myself sinking to their level. This put me back into perspective. I do wish that you would use your name. I am not trying to start anything, but there is a saying that I hope to use to teach my kids, "It is better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who your not' It is something I try to live by. Be yourself.
(it is really in a country song, but I love it!!) 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:00 AM
Oh i know you where talking about me.
The only people i see plain and clear acting like this are Lynne and all her personalities, and possibly hiddy because she is up front and rude.
And i certainly say what i want, with cuss words and some name calling.
Several implies more then 1 

Name: Julia | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:05 AM
hahahaha, this is great! Reveal yourself SAHM. Are these your own words or a little cut and paste? I love it! 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:07 AM
Yea i dont know why people gotta hide behind more then 1 username!!!!! 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:07 AM
It doesn't matter who I am. It is doing what I intented it to do. Trolls reveal themselves. They cannot help it. 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:13 AM
Well you do us the pleasure and reveal yourself Mizz Troll 

Name: momof3 | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:14 AM
l3itchy, you don't think that I am talking about you, do you?? I have grown to like you and look forward to your post!! 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:18 AM
Lol Mom, no i was talkin to this new trouble maker. 

Name: momof3 | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:19 AM
Just makin sure!!! 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:21 AM
I'm not a new trouble maker. I am someone you know. 

Name: momof3 | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:22 AM
Then just tell us who you are. What is the big deal? 

Name: marija | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:23 AM
i can see you are one of the older crowd( i mean longer term crowd) I am sorry if you were hurt and still are by what is going on. You took your internet friendships to a personal level, that is understable when you write to one another long term, but like most friendships you wanted loyalty, but it wasnt forthcoming, friendships are about loyalty but they are also about accepting one anothers differences. It seemed to me that everyone from the old crowd was hurt over the posts each from different point of views. Certain people may have bought the megaphones out but the damage was already done. What you all have to remember is that you dont know anyone 100% from the internet until you have interacted with them in person, hell even then you can be duped. i dont trust people because i will not put myself or my family in a position where we will be hurt. But you can have LOTS of people that you like around you and still be aware that they will have a different view to yours. 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:27 AM
It is not hurt and not personal. It has to do with Babycrowd. We're moms. Hopefully we aren't going to be teaching our children that the behavior here is acceptable. 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:37 AM
It would be FANTASTIC if you got into the REAL world 

Name: marija | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:38 AM
our children will learn what we as parents teach them not what drivel is written on the internet. 13itchy will teach her child to stand up and be heard, Nicola will teach her child smoking and overeating is bad for your health and i dont want you to do it, but i understand addiction, Hiddy will probably teach her child how to spell Moron...Why think because of what happened here that is what we will teach our kids?
And as far as i can tell this post was personal. 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:45 AM
You're probably right Marija. But why do we as adults engage in such belittle manners on the internet? Is it because we all can be anonyomous? I mean really, who is marija? Who is I3itchyI3unny? Who are the strangers here that you speak too? Is it so easy to fulfil our hearts content to shout at one another here because we can't tell our spouse what we want him to hear? Are we so annoyed with the day to day that we can come here and tear down some helpless person who might be sincere? What are the motives to call names? Power or ego? Maybe self doubt or low self esteem? Mature women know what I'm saying. Mothers know what I'm saying. 

Name: l3itchyl3unny | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:49 AM
what the hell are you on about?

well for one i dont have a spouse to yell at im going to be a single mum. Ive been straight up and brutley honest to others and about myself.

Just because someone acts this way online doesnt mean they are like this in real life, ever thought they just come on here to vent? think outside of the box would you.

I dont know what kind of mum im going to be, i cant tell you. But i know im a caring decent person..and i try and do the right thing. End of discussion 

Name: momof3 | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:51 AM
l3itchy your fine and your going to be a great mom!!! You are who you are and I admire you for that. We all know who YOU are. 

Name: marija | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 3:54 AM
could be a combination on all of the above...i put my money on boredom. Women mature or immature can act irrationally, can do and say things that are regrettable. Age has alot to do with the way you deal with situations. But to me being open minded can compensate for age. 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 4:03 AM
And so it's alright to ues inocent people to yell at and use because we may all be desperate? It's ok because we are young and single? It's ok because we may be lonesome and depressed? It's ok because the SAHM who are stable can take the abuse? It's ok because why? 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 4:07 AM
Tell me please when is it ok to use bad manners? 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 4:08 AM
Tell me please when is it ok to call someone a name? 

Name: momof3 | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 4:08 AM
If you don't like how people are acting or venting or just being then why are you here? Are you just trying to start something. I am confused to the purpose here. Everyone here is here for a reason and if it is to blow off some steam so be it. The question I have is Why are you here? 

Name: SAHM | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 4:08 AM
Please tell me when it's ok to push and shove? 

Name: marija | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 4:10 AM
why...first and foremost...because this is a public forum and everyone has a right to post
second, because you as a stable SAHM will know when to exit the post and not continue to read, create another they pop up on your topic with no issue other than to create problems, create a new one with a exclusion at the bottom.
Nothing is ok if you dont like it. That doesnt mean that others dont have a problem with it. I think of myself as a stable mother and the arguements on here do not bother me, why should it have to bother you or anyone else? 

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