I just wondered what people thought on the new legislation that if a baby is born at 22 weeks they should not be resuciated because they have 1% chance survival and a poor quality of life.
We're looking at it in my r.s classes. I personally think that it is okay. It may be stressful for the baby and frightnening so what precious little life it has may be suffering. And in future he or she may not be happy if they suffer from any of the effects of ectreme prematurity. However now i am a mother myself, I could not picture a doctordeciding whether my baby lives or dies. I would want them to try no matter what. I believe that it's right to allow a 22 week baby to die if there is nothing to do or they have suffered alot of brain damage and they will not lead a fulfilling life. But when your a mother, your maternal instincts play you around.... I would be ever so fiesty if my own baby was one that was now "condemmed" (if that's the right word). It's so hard to decide what side I am on... Just wanted to hear peoples views and opinions on this one. ↓
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| Name: mspeachpit | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 5:41 PM |
| i once knew a little girl who had a severe form of my disability. the doctors refused to put a shunt in her head because they said she would never be more than a veggie. well, they later decided to do it, but the damage was done. she ended up so brain-damaged because of it that she wasnt able to learn to speak and died at the age of 11 because she couldnt tell her parents that the shunt was no longer working. was that any more fair to her? ↑ |
| Name: Nicola | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 6:22 PM |
| when my mum was carrying my sister they told her that she would have spina bifida and asked if my mum wanted to carry on the pregnancy. My mum had tried for son long to have her that she couldn't abort her. She was happily married, I was 7 and my brother was 5 so she felt she could manage. in August 97 out came a beautiful curly haired perfectly healthy girl... My mum could have aborted a perfectly healthy child. But I still don't think abortion is wrong. I just don't think it should be used as a contraception as so many seem to do these days. Sorry to hear about that little girl. Stories like that make me sad. Medics don't really know it all...those poor women who have been locked up for murdering their babies when they died of cot death, and recently that woman (who lives near me! hehehee) who was charged with posioning her baby son with salt. It was proved in the end he had a rare defect or somthing and he only needed a tiny amount of salt to overload his liver. ↑ |
| Name: mspeachpit | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 6:23 PM |
| i havent heard about that. what happened? ↑ |
| Name: mspeachpit | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 6:27 PM |
| i dont believe a person should decide which baby dies and which lives. that, in my opinion, is in God's hands. thats why i didnt abort my baby even though i knew it was dangerous to have her. and i still wouldnt have if i had known before she was born that she would be born with this disease that she has. ↑ |
| Name: Nicola | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 8:58 PM |
| Are you in England? Its been all over the news here...alot of families who have been sent to prison because they have murdered their baby have been released because the medical evidence was unrealiable and they could have a genetic problem meaning they are more susceptible to cot death or something, I cant really remember and im sorry if im telling it wrong. the woman with the salt case. She was charfrged with murder I think...I am sure she was his mum but she might have been a childminder, it was said that she fed him salt as punishment and that lead to his death but it was then suggested another medical [problem meaning the child's systems could have overreacted or something...I dont want to say too much because I dont think im tellign it right. Ill try and remember or research mroe for tomrorow... ↑ |
| Name: mspeachpit | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 9:02 PM |
| Name: mspeachpit | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 9:04 PM |
| there was a case here years ago where a mother was put in jail for murder after it appeared that she was putting antifreeze in the baby's bottle. she had a second son while in prison and the same thing happened, except the second one didnt die and they discovered it was a problem in the infants systems. ↑ |
| Name: Stacy | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 9:24 PM |
This is a difficult issue, because people say "god will be done". Well if a 22 week old baby was born in a 3rd world country it would die. If that same baby was born 20 years ago it would have died. If that baby were to be delivered at home today, it would probably not surrive to a hospital. Was there something wrong with the baby & that was natures way? We don't know.
We have the medical science to help that 22 week old baby survive, but for how long, & with what complications??
The issue is, at what point has medicine gone too far. Would you want the same extreme measures to be performed on a 89 year old man, with Alzheimer's, a bad heart, & lungs, not to mention poorly functioning kidneys & liver. Or, would you want him to pass quietly, with out painful medical intervention?
It's an individual decision, there is not right or wrong answer. This is not something that you can stand back and judge others. This is something you feel..... no right, no wrong.
I'm truely sorry for anyone who goes thru something like this. My heart goes out to each & everyone who has. ↑ |
| Name: jillw | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 9:28 PM |
| Name: Stacy | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 9:30 PM |
| Name: Nicola | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 10:01 PM |
| wow, you can word your ideas perfectly. Something I struggle with. Your post is very well said like jillw said. ↑ |
| Name: Stacy | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 10:04 PM |
Thank you also.
Great subject, I like the real issues people have to deal with. Keep up the good work. ↑ |
| Name: Nicola | Date: Nov 16th, 2006 10:22 PM |
| Yeah that's why i decided to do a-level r.s. for the ethics side of the course. We often have many little tasks. When i have more time ill start another one, there's some very good ones in my book. We sit and debate them in class and its so interesting (God I sound lame!) but it is! ↑ |
| Name: marija | Date: Nov 17th, 2006 12:53 AM |
| my friend gave birth to twins at 23 weeks one of the babys had died and was poisoning the other and mother. The hospital policy was no resuscitation before 25 weeks (something they had no clue about until after the babies were born) because they were rated a 4grade hospital and not a 5grade. Her baby that had not died lived for 8hours by himself, if she had gone 20mins up the road to the Royal Womens they would of taken care of that baby and more than likely he would have lived. They tried to get transported there but the hosp they were in wouldnt write off on the transfere because he was considered a normal birth and if he needed a humidicrib and all of the attachments needed to keep him alive then they were back at square one and the former policy came back into play. It was horrible and the worst time for my friend. Her husband ended up signing his newborn out and taking him in his arms to the other hospital but it was too late and they tried to resuscitate but couldnt stablize him after so many hours of hospital beaucracy where he laid with no oxygen. They took their case to the courts, not for money but for that hospital to publically admit the wrong doing and to change the hospital policy....they lost. ↑ |
| Name: moshecathy | Date: Nov 17th, 2006 3:58 AM |
| Well ... i personally think that if it is God's will then the baby will survive. But if it is not, then it is not in his will. what ever will happen, he has a purpose for it in the parent's life. ↑ |
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