Well I went in to see my new doctor today: total gained 31 pounds, BP is down to 120/79, losing mucus plug, killer Braxton Hicks all thruout the day (whoever said they aren't painful LIED! - they were somewhat painful thruout my first and they seem to be much more so the further along I get with this one...not unbearable tho so really I am just bitching) .
The question of the day is whether to have another csection, or to attempt a vbac...whatchall think? I have to sign papers next week refusing a csection if that's the way we decide to go, but I wanted to see if any of you had some definite thoughts on the whole scenario. Thanks! ↓
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| Name: Randi | Date: May 31st, 2008 4:23 AM |
I personally went with a repeat and I am glad I did... although my water broke 3 days before and my doctor had to leave for a family emergency lol
My recovery was great. I had no pain and it was so much more relaxed. I only stayed in the hospital for the required 24 hours and didn't take any pain medication (well I took a couple Tylenol 3s for my back pain about a week after)
I was able to lift Kaden (24lbs) about 3 days after. It was definitely much smoother without all the labour beforehand!
I think it all depends on why you had one in the first place. I personally did not want a repeat of what happened with Kaden and I am glad I went with that. Olivia had turned a little sideways by the time my c section came around... ↑ |
| Name: ..RoSey.. | Date: May 31st, 2008 5:00 AM |
| if you have a choice.. go for VBAC !!! Its the natural way..... Im 100% glad i did it the natural way... ↑ |
| Name: ..RoSey.. | Date: May 31st, 2008 5:21 AM |
I was so proud of myself once i had given birth to izzy !! Its alot of hard work, but so worth it =)
just after i gave birth to izzy, they put her straight on my chest where she just lay there in my arms with her umbilical cord still attached for a few minutes...It was the best day of my life. ↑ |
| Name: briseis | Date: May 31st, 2008 10:07 AM |
| I had Joey naturally, and am damn proud I did. I also refused an epidural and felt everything. Labour went beautifully and I gave birth to my baby on my own. And Joey was placed on my chest naked within seconds of his birth, and Mark cut the umbilical cord right next to me. The natural way is the best way. If you can, go for it. You will be so proud you did. x ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: May 31st, 2008 10:08 AM |
| Woopsee, my computer automatically signed me in as Briseis. Dunno why. ↑ |
| Name: Lola | Date: May 31st, 2008 12:29 PM |
I'd say at least try a VBAC, I had a caesarean myself and I would opt for a VBAC if I was in yer situation.
Well try anyways, and you may end up with a caesarean anyways but it's worth the experience. You know. To birth for yourself. ↑ |
| Name: LindsayK | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 12:59 AM |
| A friend of mine just had a VBAC last month. She's glad she did and found the experience far better with a vaginal birth than with her c-sec. She felt much better afterwards and was home the next day with no complications. She had a really hard time deciding beforehand which route to go though. ↑ |
| Name: zoey9810 | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 1:11 AM |
| My dr.s didnt put Tyler on my chest till he was all Cleaned and Wrapped up! He wasnt too messy and didnt have any white stuff on him at all except for his armpits, so it didnt take long to rub him down... sorry i cant remember the technical term for that stuff LOL ↑ |
| Name: ..RoSey.. | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 3:27 AM |
| Nikki i didnt want to offend anyone.. i know that in some cases a C section is no other choice, i still think either way is a bonus and extremely magical, HOWEVER i have read that in America / Canada people are getting advised to get C sections because the doctors get a bigger pay out.. it Costs a lot more.. therefore insurance companies are urging people to get C sections when they are simply not needed !! And no im not saying in your case that you didnt need the C section.. im saying ALOT of people are getting them when they are quite capable of doing natural.. I dont think anyone here was trying to insult C sections, But what ever happened to NATURAL ?? Now adays it seems everyone is going for the easy way out.... ( again im not trying to offend ) I mean She has a choice here....i think every way of giving birth is just as exciting !!! Either way... we still feel like the 1st woman to be giving birth in the world =P lol its weird that.... ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 10:28 AM |
| I'm with Rosey on this one. C Sections are sometimes necessary, but most of the time they aren't. Women simply chose to have them so they don't have to go through the pain of giving birth, which is ridiculous because it's the most natural thing in the world. When it's necessary to have a section, yes absolutely, go for it. But if you are giving the choice (which you shouldn't be) you should go natural. Because we have NHS over here in Ireland, we aren't given the choice. You only have a c section if there is no way you can go natural. In the US you are given a choice or are urged to go for a C Section for the reasons Rosey stated. ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 10:30 AM |
| Anyway, you're right - whichever way you baby comes into the world is irrelevant when they are put into your arms alive and healthy. BUT Karen, go for a VBAC if you can. If it's not working they will give you and emergency C section. Remember that. Either way, your baby will be just fine. x ↑ |
| Name: Lola | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 1:45 PM |
Well, I had a c-section and I was really disappointed with myself. Not because I didn't birth her myself.
Just because the recovery process was a lot longer and I was jealous of all the other mothers walkin' around while I was cooked up in a bed. ↑ |
| Name: DaisyUK-US | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 4:36 PM |
I'm American and have had 2 children and 1 mc and was never given a choice and I had some darn good insurance!
I agree about if you've had a c-s in the past, it's usually the best route for the second or so on births. As stated, if any trouble arises, they'll send you in for a c-s anyway and you'll have labored in pain for nothing. I feel it's magical either was as the main goal is to have a healthy baby.
For reports on us Americans, they only feed what they feel is necessary. It should be noted that many celebs opt for c-s, but they don't really have to worry about insurance paying it. I should add that I was in Pa for the first birth and NC for the second. I can't stand when all the negative news or info gets out but leaves the other side out. Nonsense to me and it makes the States look bad ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 6:53 PM |
"C-section aftershocks
In late September of this year, researchers in the US dropped a bombshell onto the cosy world of obstetrics.
After analyzing the records of nearly six million births, they advised that mothers should think twice before choosing a caesarean section (CS) over a natural birth.
Quite simply, an artificial surgical delivery could be putting the life of the newborn at risk. What the stark American statistics revealed was that caesarean babies are almost three times more likely to die within their first month of life than naturally delivered babies (Birth, 2006; 33: 175).
And yet, caesarean births (‘C-sections’ in medico-speak) have never been more popular. For an increasing number of mothers-to-be, the ready availability of CS has meant that the trauma of giving birth can be leapfrogged. The old Biblical curse of having to endure a painful labour is exorcisable—birth can be as simple as having an appendix removed.
Take this passage from a popular American book on pregnancy: “With a scheduled caesarean sec-tion, you and your doctor have agreed to a time at which you will enter the hospital in a fairly calm and leisurely fashion, and he or she will extract your baby through a small slit at the top of your pubic hair. There are a lot of reasons to schedule a C-section, [including] to maintain the vaginal tone of a teenager.” (Iovine V. The Girlfriends’ Guide to Pregnancy. Pocket Books, 1995)."
If you wish to continue reading:
http://www.wddty.com/03363800
369784516151/c-section-aftershocks.html
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| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 7:01 PM |
I'd just like to draw attention to reasons for Caesareans:
"Although fear and distaste for labour may play a part, another is that doctors often pressgang women into having ‘just-in-case’ caesareans for dubious reasons, such as the fact that the baby is large, is slightly overdue or in a breech position (see box, page 6).
CS allows the doctor to do ‘daylight obstetrics’, obviating the need to hang around for a woman to deliver her baby, often in the middle of the night (birth rates peak at about 4 o’clock in the morning). While labour can last for hours, a typical CS is usually done and dusted in less than 40 minutes.
Money’s a factor, too. In the private American health system, doctors and hospitals find CS more profitable than natural births, according to a World Health Organization (WHO) report. “In the USA, the profit motive explains hospital-specific CS rates that are high even by US standards” (Stephenson P. International Differences in the Use of Obstetrical Interventions. Copenhagen: WHO European Regional Office, 1992). That report came out 15 years ago—and CS rates have soared since then.
Another factor is litigation. “Some caesareans are clear medical necessities,” says Professor Joel Evans of the Albert Einstein College in New York, “but others lie in a gray area, where there are other possible medically appropriate options. Now, more and more physicians find it easier to follow the growing trend of just go ahead and do it, avoid a lawsuit.” ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 7:06 PM |
| Btw before you all start bitching at me, I'm only quoting from the website provided. So calm down. lol. ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 7:21 PM |
Anyway, back to the main topic!!!
Karen, Good luck whichever your decision. And I can't wait to hear your birth story. xxx ↑ |
| Name: zoey9810 | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 11:39 PM |
I read Vickys book and she was very sarcastic in that book, and so that passage i believe is meant to be sarcastic, and i don't even remember reading that part at all!
but i loved the book, and im about to get her guide to toddlers as well! :) ↑ |
| Name: ..RoSey.. | Date: Jun 1st, 2008 11:50 PM |
| Name: ..RoSey.. | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 12:11 AM |
| Oh and about having a C section because your baby is too big... Thats a load of bollox.... Womans bodies are DESIGNED to give birth to small AND big babies of all sizes. ↑ |
| Name: zoey9810 | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 2:26 AM |
| but not every ones body can handle that, that is why some people die during child birth and why they created c-sections. some womens bodies dont take on the propper modifications to preform child birth ↑ |
| Name: zoey9810 | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 2:31 AM |
They ave preformed c-sections for thousands of years, its not something new they did it back then and they will continue to do it now,
get off your high horses not never one is perfect! I hope all of you that have such negativity on c-sections that think they are unnecessary have to get them, if its a life or death situation, then may be you might under stand the need for you and your child! ↑ |
| Name: zoey9810 | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 2:32 AM |
Caesarean section is recommended when vaginal delivery might pose a risk to the mother or baby. Reasons for caesarean delivery include:
* precious (High Risk) Fetus
* prolonged labour or a failure to progress (dystocia)
* apparent fetal distress
* apparent maternal distress
* complications (pre-eclampsia, active herpes)
* catastrophes such as cord prolapse or uterine rupture
* multiple births
* abnormal presentation (breech or transverse positions)
* failed induction of labour
* failed instrumental delivery (by forceps or ventouse. Sometimes a 'trial of forceps/ventouse' is tried out - This means a forceps/ventouse delivery is attempted, and if the forceps/ventouse delivery is unsuccessful, it will be switched to a caesarean section. This takes place in the operating theatre.
* the baby is too large (macrosomia)
* placental problems (placenta praevia, placental abruption or placenta accreta)
* umbilical cord abnormalities (vasa previa, multi-lobate including bi-lobate and succenturiate-lobed placentas, velamentous insertion)
* contracted pelvis
* Sexually transmitted infections such as genital herpes (which can be passed on to the baby if the baby is born vaginally, but can usually be treated in with medication and do not require a c-section)
* previous caesarean section (though this is controversial – see discussion below)
* prior problems with the healing of the perineum (from previous childbirth or Crohn's Disease)
However, different providers may disagree about when a caesarean is required. For example, while one obstetrician may feel that a woman is too small to deliver her baby, another might well disagree. Similarly, some care providers may be much quicker to cite "failure to progress" than others. Disagreements like this help to explain why caesarean rates for some physicians and hospitals are much higher than are those for others. The medico-legal restrictions on vaginal birth after caesarean (VBAC), have also increased the caesarean rate.
For religious, personal or other reasons, a mother may refuse to undergo caesarean section. In the United Kingdom, the law states that a woman in labour has the absolute right to refuse any medical treatment including caesarean section "for any reason or none", even if that decision may cause her own death, or that of her baby. Other countries have different laws.
As scheduled caesarean sections have become a rather safe operation (but see section on Risks), there has been a movement to perform caesarean delivery on maternal request (CDMR). There is also a consumer-driven movement to support VBAC as an alternative for repeat caesareans in the face of increased medico-legal restrictions on vaginal birth. ↑ |
| Name: zoey9810 | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 2:37 AM |
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| Name: ..RoSey.. | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 5:06 AM |
| ummm... im pretty sure i made it CLEAR that i was talking about the people that are CHOOSING to have C sections when they are more than CAPABLE of doing natural... Celebrities for instance dont want to ruin there Vaginas.. they dont want pain.. so they DO go for C sections.. i really dont see how we are on our high horses.. we made it CLEAR we werent talking about people that had no choice. ↑ |
| Name: KarenM | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 7:06 AM |
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this. For those of you who don't know my story, Wyatt was an emergent csection. He wouldn't progress, he was crooked and wouldn't turn, and after almost 23 hours labouring, needed to come out by CS versus vaginal. I don't feel badly about it at all, I just wanted my little one to be safe. Yes I would have liked to have given birth the way I had hoped it would go, but it didn't. I still gave birth, still labored, still held my child directly after he was born...it was beautiful.
I changed Docs not too long ago, and with this one, I am being given the choice to go VBAC or CS. I would really like to have the baby born vaginally, but I wonder where to draw the line for the safety of my child. There are inherent dangers with both. My concern is how much more dangerous is it for my baby for me to go VBAC. This hospital doesn't have in-house emergency teams...meaning that the quickest we could get into surgery if an emergency CS was required would be 1/2 an hour...my baby could die within 5 minutes (and I could also, altho it takes longer for big people) if my uterus ruptured (last death for this hospital due to rupture was 10 years ago). Obviously, that's a worse-case scenario, but there are reasons why 2nd and 3rd time pregnancies are csections if you've already had one versus VBACs. According to my doctor, with my past pregnancy and my current situation, there is a 65% chance that my VBAC would be successful, 35% chance I'd end up with another CS int he end. I would love to have a successful VBAC, but obviously my biggest concern is for my baby, hence my question to y'all. Again, thanks for your opinions...we still haven't come to a decision, but for the safety of my child, I sway towards the CS now, which I didn't want a month ago...funny how things can change when you learn each side of the story. ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 9:02 AM |
Vicki's Book? The link was written by Edwards, and is anything but sarcasm. For goodness sake.
Regardless, I'm not here to argue. As Rosey said, we're only discussing women who have unnecesary C Sections, of which there are thousands, which is why it's growing in popularity. If noone on this board has had an unnecessary C Section, then noone should take offense to the link now should they.
Karen, I wish you the best of luck. I had a friend who went through a similar experience to you and ended up with an emergency C Section too. As long as Wyatt was ok, and I'd totally understand you going for another C Section. xxx ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 9:05 AM |
| Get off our high horses? haha! The cheek! hahaha. Dear dear dear. Hilarious. ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 9:17 AM |
| Lauren, why are you getting so annoyed? Perhaps you misunderstood Rosey and I and thought we were referring to all C Sections. When we are not. I am a HUGE fan of C Sections when they are necessary, eg in Karen's case with Wyatt. They have dramatically increased survival of mother and baby when they would otherwise have died. But it's clear that thousands of women are having C Sections for superficial reasons, and yes I think those women are ridiculous, especially celebs. And as this is a forum, I'm giving my point of view on this and so is Rosey, without being critical to anyone here. It's amazing how easy it is to do that. ↑ |
| Name: Emma2 | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 1:41 PM |
| my personal opinion is that women should give birth naturally even after a csection if at all possible. if there is a medical reason why you NEED a csection then go for it...more importantly.. do what YOU and YOUR DOCTOR think is best. there are always going to be varrying opinions about which way is better, so it's just really up to you. ↑ |
| Name: Joeys_Mam | Date: Jun 2nd, 2008 1:42 PM |
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