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| Name: maxieellis | Date: Feb 19th, 2008 5:23 PM |
| Well I have...and am now and neither side of the fence, is an easy walk. There is no real answer.....you just do what you need to for both yourself and for your family. Good parenting comes from within. So, whatever you do...be it stay at home or work outside the home...if being a good parent is in you...it will show. You can be home all day....and be a horrible care giver and nurturer. I dont think in some cases it makes much of a difference. Either your good at what you do when it comes to raising your children...or your not. Simple. Regardless the road you choose to travel...or 'have' to travel. In the end...the children reflect when they are older. If you had to work to make ends meet, but were always there for them in various ways that count...they will know that. If you simply choose to work outside the home....they will know that was the best thing for you and for them....cuz they know you. If your home and do a good job there....they will know that too. If you do any of the previously mentioned and do it poorly...they will know that also. How you give....will reflect on them....either positively or otherwise. Children grow. They too look back. They know. Dont let us forget...you can parent in circles in the most outstanding way....and your child....can...travel a road you would not ever have expected they would. They grow...they change too. Its a total crap shoot. Again, you just do what you believe is correct...in whatever situation that may be...and if you do it with love...there will be no guilt. Sadness yes...but no guilt. You gave....working out of the home...or not...with love at the core. A job well done. :) ↑ |
| Name: K-beth | Date: Feb 19th, 2008 8:31 PM |
| Just remember that what ever you deside it's quality not quantaty that matters. Quality time doesn't always come in quantaties. ↑ |
| Name: Jubilee | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 1:05 AM |
| I know what you are saying kbeth. But I worry that I won't be there when I am needed and no amount of quality time will make up for it. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 1:15 AM |
| I think it depends on the person. I have heard from others, and I do believe that some people need that other fulfillment in life, and would be miserable at home all the time. They would feel trapped and resent the kids in a way, even if they didn't know they were doing it, and that can't be good. For myself, I never wanted to use daycare, so it was ideal in a way when I was working that my hubby was "Mr Mom" and able to be home with our kids. My whole first pregnancy that was planned and I was okay with that, however the first time I had to leave our first child....My God you would think someone cut my heart out with a butter knife the way I felt. I insisted on working every other night so I could stay awake every day and miss NO time with him. Then after that almost killed me (a week or two..) I insisted on just sleeping when he napped so only about 3-4 hours a day between full 12 hour night shifts. I was dead tired for years, but it was a trade off I made. Now that my husband needed me to come home to take care of him and our kids....I wish I would have gone to part time. I am finding that I COULD have made it on less, and wish I would have done so rather than giving up the sleep and physical health!! Maybe his health would have hung in there longer as well!! ↑ |
| Name: kryst | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 2:51 AM |
| Jubilee I know that homemommichele has a very nice home based business from what I've read I do to and I have no Inventory and don't have to recruit to make money you can contact me at [email protected] ↑ |
| Name: Jubilee | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 1:32 PM |
| Kyrst from what I have read you won't make hardly any money without recruiting others into your business. The more you recruit, the more money you make off your recruits. You get paid from their sales and the recruits under them. It is the money generated by recruiting others that pays those who are getting rich at the top, right? So that tells me that to make a lot of money you have to get in very early with a company that is based on a multilevel marketing scheme. It really doesn't fit my personality to recruit people. I think if I tried to sell products to friends or recruit them that it would be the fastest way to lose them as friends. And the only other option would to become a door to door salesperson. And if I were to do that it would be easier to sell a product that more people have heard of like avon or marykay IMO. How long have you been with this company? Do you make alot of money? ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 2:07 PM |
| Yes, Arbonne is like Mia Bella, Avon and Mary Kay and different from Mela in that they have the recruiting aspect if you want, but also the direct sales aspect also. You can choose to do one or the other or both. Personally I am a HORRIBLE sales person!! I actually envy those that can, but I could not sell a heater to an eskimo! My strength is in team building and being a friend and team leader and working with others, so a main biz that does NOT depend on direct sales works best for me!! ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 2:11 PM |
| Jubilee, It is NOT a Multilevel marketing "scheme" as I have explained to you before on here. There is a big difference between pyramids and network marketing. It is actually possible and is done for people to make MORE than the ones that enroll them in these companies!! Sure it is great to get in early.....It was great for people who first invented the car, the computer (ie Bill Gates...etc etc), yes, I will never make more than Frank Vandersloot in this biz, as he is the CEO!! But there are STILL many many people that I call and have never even HEARD of my company!! I know you have your mind made up, and that is fine, but maybe you should give something a try before you completely write it off just on preconceived ideas. ↑ |
| Name: Jubilee | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 3:32 PM |
| Homemommichele, it sounds like you are recruiting new people to make money rather than actually selling the products. If you concentrate on team building that to me says you are focused on getting new recruits. Isn't that what multilevel marketing is all about? Because with each new recruit they have to pay for inventory and also make an order every month of a certain dollar amount to stay active, right? So new recruits are what is keeping the money coming in rather than you selling? Is that what you are saying? How do you find enough people to join to make decent money? ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 8:14 PM |
| Um, No. I do NOT sell the products. I am in Advertising. That is all. I advertise for the company. Just like if I worked for an advertising corporation. However rather than my customers go to a store like walmart, where the money they spend goes to pay the store employees, the management, the advertising agency for the media (on tv and radio etc etc) they just pay me to get the word out about their company and products. Why would my customers and partners have to carry inventory??? I do not recruit people and have them do anything I do not do myself!! My partners do not spend any more in investment then I do!! My partners shop from the same store I do every month and advertise it as well. No one keeps any inventory. How do I find enough people?? By continuing to advertise, do my job and be a good mentor and partner!! ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 20th, 2008 8:15 PM |
| See hon that is where you have this soooooooooooo confused with Amway. Yes, amway does recruit AND keep inventory themselves. That is not at all what mela is about. Not at all. ↑ |
| Name: alicia.87 | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 1:16 AM |
| i have a great way of making money and staying at home.. im a stay at home mum also... i have 2 girls that are 18 months and 5 months go to my website at www.debtfree87.freelife.com if you like wat you see or u have any questions email me at [email protected] or add me to msn at [email protected] ↑ |
| Name: kryst | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 4:42 AM |
| Arbonne is a health and wellness company unlike avon as per say. You do not have to recruit to make money that is your option. I keep no inventory unless I know that I want to do a trade show or woman's expo, and would like to sell certain intems. Normally this is not the case. I make between $5-1500 monthly depending on what I do. I like the idea of meeting people though and I enjoy sharing GREAT products with friends, family, and anyone else who comes along. You need to listen to a webinar sometime on what makes Arbonne unique from others. YOu can email me for this info because I will need to know what time zone you are in and state. Hope this gives you a better understanding. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 1:42 PM |
| Kryst I am sorry I was not trying to give improper info. I was just trying to state another company that offered both the retail aspect AND the recruiting and you could choose to do one or both. ↑ |
| Name: Jubilee | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 3:44 PM |
| Oh, Homemommichele, I did not realize that you are in advertising for mela. So you do their advertiseing and get paid for it. Does that mean that you get paid whether or not people join? You get paid to do advertising like you would for a marketing firm? It does not matter whether you bring in new people because you are an advertising executive for mela and they use your skills as a marketing professional? ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 4:11 PM |
| AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!! NO That is what their reps do. We do advertising and marketing. Period. They pay us to refer others. Then we work on commission. NO we do not get paid if we do not get results. Why would they pay us if people did not join?? With the internet and all the ways of advertising what other way would they have to see if we were even doing anything?? I would be able in that case to sit here and say "Uh yeah, I posted 100 ads today online and therefore you owe me x no of dollars..." where is the accountability?? No business would ever work that way!! They pay me to refer others, therefore advertising. When others join on my team by my referral, I get rewarded for introducing the company and it's products. I am so sorry it seems so complicated to you and convuluted!! The questions you have even confuse me!!! I really wish you would listen to a presentation call or watch a webcast, with me or anyone, that would help clear up a LOT of miscommunication and mis understandings for you. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 4:16 PM |
| Just like when you go into walmart and buy a product. Your money pays the store employee, but also the management, corporate execs and also the advertisers, shipping etc. Mela cuts out a lot of the "middlemen" it is consumer direct marketing. However if a chain like walmart or in the case of ones that have gone under such as Murpheys (which my Dad worked for growing up, if anyone remembers them, mostly in western PA and OH) does not sell products, then they don't have money to pay advertisers, no advertising, no business, no business, no advertising, it is a cycle and the business eventually goes under. ↑ |
| Name: Jubilee | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 4:58 PM |
| Okay so you get paid if you refer people who join the mela organization. And you said that you do team building and not sell the products. I have to tell you that this is sounding more and more like a pyramid or multi level marketing scheme. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 5:10 PM |
| And I keep telling you you are wrong and the more you ask the more I see how much you have the completely wrong idea. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 5:11 PM |
| Why will you not consider getting all the info, straight up at once...not even from me, from anyone, then asking the questions?? It is a lot easier then trying to piece it together for yourself based on preconceived notions!!!! ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 5:14 PM |
| Maybe this will help a little, but I doubt it as you seem to already have your mind closed: MLM v.s. Melaleuca (Consumer Direct Marketing) MLM - Only a handful of companies stay in business - Accounts receivable and accounts payable, retailing is required - High competition with similar products - Company sponsored training costs money, Training done by independent distributors for profit - Lawsuits/class action cases occur and generate bad press/media - Image of company becomes taunted when distributors get burned or lose money - Motel meetings are hype and paint dreams that are unattainable - Cost of doing business is high - Large amounts of paperwork Melaleuca - 4A1 profit rating from Dun and Bradstreet - No accounts payable or receivable - No competition. Melaleuca is the only Consumer Direct Marketing company - Free company training and support - All training is done and/or approved by company and is professional in nature - No class action suits on record - Only positive press/media coverage - Company image stays positive - No one loses money - Business briefings are one on one - Cost of doing business is very low - Little or no paperwork MLM - Inventorying of products is encouraged - Selling quotas in order to get paid - Distributors must service retail customers - Distribution system has middleman so products are marked up and expensive - Perceived saturation occurs quickly - Charge backs on returned products - Products manufactured by outside companies - Buy-ins Melaleuca - No Inventory! - No selling, 35 BP consumption minimum - All customers order themselves on a 1-800 number or via the website. - Products shipped direct from Melaleuca to each customer - No Buy-ins MLM - Most have break-a-ways (Take-a-ways) - Low distributor reorder rates - People can lose money from investment cost of startup - Compensation program doesn't disperse the income equitably - Very few get lifetime residuals - Only a few who got in early on will succeed - Volume swings from promotionals - Most of all income is based on commissions - High attrition and failure rate - Business report is average - Fear of loss is basis of motivation Melaleuca - No break-a-ways - High customer reorder rate - No risk - a $29 business - Compensation is very fair with equitable distribution of earnings to all who work at all levels - Many get lifetime residuals - Anyone can succeed - Income based on commissions, car bonus, cash bonuses, revenue sharing and more - Low attrition and failure rate - Business report is detailed and comprehensive - Anticipation of gain is basis of motivation ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 5:19 PM |
| To help a little (since I did not know what "break a ways" were before: that means when someone YOU enroll does better than you the company takes them away and makes their own team out of them, so you no longer get compensated for them. Amway has a history of this. This model discourages "team building" and partnering because why would I want to see/help someone succeed if they are going to be taken out from under me if they surpass me?? I would then be motivated to "keep them in their place". That is why those types the only ones who succeed are the ones who get in early and buy in at the top. Any one of my downline can do better than me, and they would always be on my team, it does not matter, so it encourages me from a financial standpoint as well as a personal one to have an interest in their success. In fact I CANNOT succeed unless the ones I sign up DO!! Where as in a true MLM the opposite is true, you cannot succeed unless you keep them UNDER you. ↑ |
| Name: kryst | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 5:51 PM |
| homemommichele nothing took personal just wanted to clarify I Love my Arbonne business it is alot like Mel in a lot of ways. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 6:04 PM |
| No problem!! Thank you for clarifying and I am sorry for my misconceptions!! :) ↑ |
| Name: Jubilee | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 7:28 PM |
| O.K. so I kind of understand, you are a membership enrollment facilitator. You get people to join the club so they can purchase mela products, right? The more people that join the more compensation or discounts on products you recieve, right? Kind of like selling memberships to a Sams Club or Costco, only they shop through mail order, right? Are people required to place a certain dollar amount in orders every month or they lose membership? I also hear that Mela prices are very high. Why not just join sams club or costco. They try to keep prices low and I won't lose my membership if I do not buy from them every month. Plus I don't have to pay shipping costs that way. ↑ |
| Name: homemommichele | Date: Feb 21st, 2008 8:58 PM |
| Okay, now you got it right pretty much. Acutally the prices are lower than the name brand products you find in the store, at the wholesale prices, and that is counting shipping. You also are not paying for impulse shopping, gas money etc. As for "why not just join sams or costco"? Well, I happen to love the mela products, what they have done as far as having my husband and son not use asthma inhalers for the last 3 years (also saving money), I am not sure if those places have eco friendly products or not. Also I am a wahm earning a paycheck and supporting my family from shopping at this store and helping others to do so and build a business referring others as well....and I don't think costco or sams would reimburse me for giving them my business!! Look at it this way. When I shop from mela...every month, buying everything I am going to use, not one thing goes to waste, not one cent is spent that does not need to be. My money goes where??? Yes, some goes to the CEO, after all, he has a family too and needs to make a living, some goes to the overhead, the factory and making of the products, however much of it goes where? To Moms just like ME. I actually KNOW most of them by name. Have spoken to many of them on the phone, and actually had the opportunity within the last year to meet a few in person. Ladies just like me. Wanting to stay home with their young children. Some have fibromyalgia or other health issues, some have sick dh's like mine, some have sick children (there is a lady on my upline who's child has CF)...some just want the opportunity to see their children grow up and not send them to daycare and this is the best opportunity for them to do that. Anymore after being one of them, no matter What I need, I go online to work at home businesses and buy from a work at home mom FIRST before anything, because they are just like me. And you. OR would you rather it go to the owner and corporate stockholders of Walmart?? Yes, some does go to the employees, but most goes to the corporate stockholders that refuse to even give adequate benifits to their employees. Personally I would rather shop from other Moms. ↑ |
